... and I suppose the same can be said about those with any number of things wrong with their reproductive systems? Hm... your point is an interesting hypothetical ideal, but sadly, it's just not the (often ugly) truth of reality. Being gay doesn't take away one's natural ability to have children... as far as I'm concerned, unless tubes have been tied, one can still make a baby the natural way. Of course, it wouldn't be with the person that they love, but it would still be a child who deserves to be loved. And besides, in homosexual couples, it's only the lesbians who could do one-night-stands for reproduction. Gays would be shafted with a phone number that never picks up and a hazy memory of what the mother may have looked like. I simply don't follow your logic here. Life really isn't about upholding any single ideals en masse, that's too much like church or the pre-packaged "American Dream" bullpats of the 1950's post-war housing boom... it pretty much defined what American living was "supposed" to be like... I might remind you that, at the time, there was a ludicrous amount of social aggression towards anything left-of-center (IE, black, gay, sexually active or mentally handicapped). Should we strive for that climate again so we can beat the gayness out of them? Ooh! We could also start lynching the blacks again for having the "wrong" pigment of skin! *sigh* The whole thing is just not sustainable because it's based on the fact that your life should be push-button opperated and stuffed into a box... just like everybody else's. I believe that the ideals of the individual should be upheld. No matter what socio-political platform you're born into, what race you are, what kind of challenges you'll face due to where you live... you only ever have control of yourself, whether you believe in your own freedom or not. If a man's ideal is that he should love another man and that they should raise children together, so be it. Let him persue his ideal. In my opinion, if it does no harm, it does no fowl. Gays/lesbians raising children is not "cheating the system" by having it both ways, it's just another way that people live and another way for a child to come into this world. If you think that gays/lesbians should be barred from having children, maybe you should take a look at the "natural" children raised by drug addicts and hookers... am I to assume that you believe they are more deserving of children simply because they have the proper natural capacity to create them? A little teasing at school doesn't compare to the effects of parental drug use, and yet less is said on that front than on the gay/lesbian front. Why? I have no idea. It's disturbing that our priorities are to squelch the rights of potentially loving parents in the interest of those who would use those rights to abuse and harm their children. My point is this; by limiting any one freedom of any specific type of person over another's, we are saying that it's OK to say what's acceptable for one person is completely disgusting for another. This school of thought is not for me.
gays=no lesbians=yes dykes=no people that once were one thing and are now another and are together in any way=no
You're pathetic. Lesbians are okay, but homosexual males are not? Let me guess, MadCenter, you're a male. This was already beaten to death in this thread already, so I'm not going to make any further comment except... Grow up and get a life; learn to be more tolerant of others. Your way of thinking is a double standard.
All Gay/Lesbian are hot. It just what you classified are hot. No matter what you will be, either Gay or Lesbian, just be yourself and don't hypocrete.
Sorry if I interrupt, but I'm just dicovering this 14 pages thread, I didn't read all, but imo, what is shameful is to ask the question in the title... How even think that it could be shameful to live ones life...?
Yes, you're right, I just start reading it from the beginning. My statement was just from the title which catch my eyes in the "spy". I meant no offence for the thread starter.
Yes, indeed it is shameful to live a live as lesbian or gay. It is against nature and religion. Anything done against the nature definitely lead you to a big disaster. As we all know how aids spreads.
How is it against Nature? There are other species of animals that are gay not just humans so to say it goes against nature is incorrect. Didn't do an indepth search but http://rainbowallianceopenfaith.homestead.com/Science3.html And yes we all know how AIDS spreads, it's called unprotected sex, regardless of sexual orientation, or did you miss that part of the lecture in sex ed?