Is it possible to keep pagerank of expired domain names

Discussion in 'Google' started by casperl, Jan 7, 2007.

  1. #1
    Hello,

    Let's say i can buy a parked expired domain name. The domain name is PR7. When i check its PR at http://livepr.raketforskning.com/, i see that none/a few of the DCs are showing it as PR0. And the doamin is expired for at least 6 months. So it should pass at least one pagerank update and manage to keep its pagerank!

    So what is your experience in this situation? How can i keep the PR of these domains? Is it possible? What are the main points i should know before starting to buy such domains and install new web sites there?

    The domain seems to have (check with yahoo site explorer) lots of valuabe backlinks so i guess it keeps the PR value. Although i did not check all of them for validness, i tested a few of the and those backlinks are still valid.

    Which tools should i use for this expired domain buying business?

    Should i install previous website available in archive.org or can i install a totally new web site?

    I know i asked lots of questions :) but please answer the ones you know their answers. Any hint will be very helpfull before i start to this..

    Thanks.
     
    casperl, Jan 7, 2007 IP
  2. instanet

    instanet Guest

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    My guess is that if there are still high quality amount of links pointing to the domain, then the PR will be kept. Best bet is to install the same website so that the websites linking to the domain will keep linking to it as they see the same website.
     
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  3. Shoemoney

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    it does work sometime but it has to be super fast. Being that google is now a registrar they can see the exact data. There are people tho that can consistently acquire domains and preserve the page rank. How the exactly do it i am not sure
     
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  4. Sem-Advance

    Sem-Advance Notable Member

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    Domains accquire links if there is a website that was published. Once the domain expires the links are still pointed there unless the website that placed the link, pulls it offline.

    Simply adding new content and getting the bots back to the site will preserve the past rankings.

    Domains expired over 120 days would likely lose all pr ranking till another 90 ro 120 days after new content is added.

    As long as the links are still posted the bots should always pick them up though if the site pointed to goes offline, it may not pick them up as often.
     
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  5. mjewel

    mjewel Prominent Member

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    Toolbar PR is never current, it is always a look at the past. Many times an expired domain will lose some of its best backlinks that were giving it the high PR. I would check to make sure the links showing in yahoo are actually still there - yahoo can be very outdated in the data it shows and the backlinks might have already been removed.

    In short, there is no way to predict if it will retain its current PR and you should assume it is going to lose at least some backlinks.

    I recently purchased an expired domain (on the day it was deleted) and it has no PR showing - however, after I purchased it, I discovered it had four wikipedia links (still showing) so google obviously removed the PR - but it hasn't gone through a new update yet.
     
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  6. casperl

    casperl Peon

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    Do you know any tool to easily check all backlinks shown in yahoo?

    With "new content", do you mean totally new content or additional content to the previous ones available in archive.org?

    And "getting the bots again" is a nice tip. I will try that with getting new backlinks..

    As far as i see, that domain is still available and hold by a registerer. So although the content is lost i dont think google can detect that the domain is expired because they will only see that the domain is owned by someone else.

    So do you think this 120 days problem still exist for this case?

    Thanks.
     
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    Welcome :)
     
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  9. mjewel

    mjewel Prominent Member

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    Do you know any tool to easily check all backlinks shown in yahoo?

    There may be a free program, but seoelite can do it.

    With "new content", do you mean totally new content or additional content to the previous ones available in archive.org?

    You can't use someone else's content, even on an expired domain, without their permission - it's copyright infringement.


    As far as i see, that domain is still available and hold by a registerer. So although the content is lost i dont think google can detect that the domain is expired because they will only see that the domain is owned by someone else.

    If a domain is actually expired, when it is picked up after deletion, it gets a "new" creation date as of the day you register it. The whois will show the domain was just registered and be treated as a brand new domain. Domains pending deletion stay with the registrar up until the day they are released and made available to be registered. Google is a registrar - they have access to the entire history of a domain and according to their patents, use it.
     
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  10. saadahmed007

    saadahmed007 Admínistratör

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    You can check all backlinks of yahoo through backlinkwtach.com(Not my site) :)
    Saad
     
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    I believe I read elsewhere when the domain ownership change is detected then it is effectively treated as a new site - therefore incoming links will be devalued over time.

    However, it did say it was more of a case by case basis so if a company bought a website and carried on doing everything exactly the same (over time there was no 'real' change in how the website was run) then the PR would likely remain as the links would stay in place and still bear the same relevance.

    If the old domain was purchased by a new person and the 'content' of the website changed and inbound links produced 404s then those links would be devalued quickly and possibly altogther depending on how the domain was used.

    I have one reference on domain ownership change but I couldn't find the exact article I read many months ago - might even have been on matt cutts blog, but I am not sure.

    http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2005/09/19/secret-out-how-google-ranks-websites/

    (it is in the comments - comment 5 & 13 that relate to pagerank specifically as I just glanced over the page to check it was relevant to this query).
     
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