Is Israel commiting war crimes?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by dotcomguy, Aug 4, 2006.

  1. Skynt

    Skynt Peon

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    #61
    You can't blame Israel for that, the only people you can blame is the people who started it in the first place. Considering they also hide behind civs, that also increases the civilian casualities.
     
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  2. Rick_Michael

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    #62
    http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=1064485&postcount=4

    You could say the same thing about every country in world war 2, whom killed millions upon millions of civilians (and moved whole races away)...but idealogy alone would have given Germany and Japan there very real chance of winning. Practicality wins war and pure idealogy loses it. At one point you'll come to gripes with that.

    I just don't think your standards are doable (in past conflicts or now), given the lack of international standards up above ie their inability to enforce what they deem right [UN 1519]. No ones interested in really ending conflicts in that region, and I believe your mindset is too extreme and would require great deal of sacrifice on behalf of the Israeli civilian side...

    Just allow the rockets to rain in...don't shoot at them, because you might kill a civilian....nevermind you'll have to sacrifice your own!?
     
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  3. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #63
    Right... it's ok to carelessly murder and terrorize an entire nation and it's civilians because of a few terrorists... very logical. :rolleyes:
     
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  4. Rick_Michael

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    #64
    It's not a few...it's an organize militia. Budgets are in the hundreds of millions.

    A virtual military on the border, if anything....proxy of Iran.
     
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  5. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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  6. Skynt

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    #66
    Ok, yo-yo, you do realize that Hezbollah is raining rockets in on Israel, and Israel has no choice but to respond or face taking severe damage every day. It sounds to me like they're being pulled in. I also don't see people in the region uniting against Hezbollah, the rightful faction to blame. Strange?

    EDIT: Last thing I saw on TV was Israel trying to trace origins of the rockets, and firing on those suspected origins. Not targeting nothing, which is what your accusing Israel of doing.
     
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  7. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #67
    You're right .. those little kaytusha rockets are leveling Israel.. you can't even recognise it anymore :rolleyes:

    If memory serves me right, they weren't even firing rockets until Israel started it's attack over the 2 kidnapped soldiers.
     
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  8. Skynt

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    #68
    Your memory fails you. They were firing the rockets before the kidnappings.
     
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    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #69
    Have a source?
     
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  10. Skynt

    Skynt Peon

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    #70
    No because no aritcles post a sequence of events, they don't say when the rockets were fired. Thats on fox and CNN, I really am interested what happened first, second, and third.
     
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    #71
    well there is no way to know unless you are there.
     
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    #72
    You don't have one because you're wrong ;) :D
     
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  13. Skynt

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    #73
    Go to cnn , it doesn't specifiy the order in which the attacks happened.
     
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  14. yo-yo

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  15. roiei

    roiei Banned

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    #75
    You must be blind.

    Hezbollah using all those bridges and roads to move bombs\rockets\soldiers etc, the goal of doing that is terrorist action against israel.

    I saw many videos of what Hezbollah doing:
    They take the truck launcher to some forest or something and they launch Katyush to israel, then they drive the truck to some house with garage and park it there.

    Because of actions like these civilians were killed.

    I'll try to find the videos (it was on TV don't know if someone upload it)
     
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  17. roiei

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    #77
    So it's ok to launch rockets if there is no deads and no damage?
     
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    #78
    Wrong...

    'Hezbollah forces to 600-1000 active fighters (with 3,000 - 5,000 available and 10,000 reservists), 10,000 - 15,000 rockets of the Katyusha, Fajr-3 and Fajr-5 type. They also estimate a stockpile of 30 missiles of the Zelzal type.'

    They fire 50 to mid 100 rockets daily. The only thing that helps a lot with Israel is that it has bunkers. Nearly a million stay in bunkers durning the day (as they don't fire at night due to easier to be seen).

    10k of people is not a few hundred (it's a division for a military). As far as the comparison arguement goes, it doesn't matter if the number are a million vs a million. When you have those numbers which I displayed it isn't exactly a piece of cake...especially since few of these numb-nuts don't wear military fatigues.



    I asked you a while ago if it was up to you, would you fire a missile on to a rocket site if there was civilians there, and you said no. So the chose is made....can't have it both ways....you either chose to destroy it or most likely it will fire.

    There's no way they're going to single out each rocket site by alternative means.... it's physically impractical.

    Why don't you complain about the UN's lack of enforcement?...this should have be dealt with years ago.
     
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  20. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #80
    10,000 reservists who have what kind of training? They know how to load an AK47 and....?

    Just because I wouldn't be hap hazzardly firing missiles all over lebanon doesn't mean I wouldn't be fighting at all. There is MORE than 2 options.

    Enforcement of what? the 50 or so resolutions that Israel is and has been violating for years?
     
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