Is Israel afraid ?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by Squealer, Jun 3, 2010.

  1. Ibn Juferi

    Ibn Juferi Prominent Member

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    #21
    Those who became "terrorists" despite having families and solid careers are the exception, not the norm. Unless you can prove otherwise, this statement still stands.
     
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  2. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #22
    I was being kind. I was implying that even suicide bombers might only pray for death during some of their prayers. I guess I was overly optimistic.

    Their crime was picking up deadly weapons and trying to murder people. duh.

    Most of the people on that ship stayed peaceful and stayed alive. Those who chose to commit murder received their just desserts.

    Alan Krueger, Claude Berrebi, and the National Science Foundation have all done good work in profiling terrorists and the results were very surprising to left-wing analysts. It turns out that terrorists are wealthier and better educated than the average Muslim. It also turns out that having families didn't affect their decision to become terrorists at all.

    More interesting to this discussion is that the "average terrorist" and the "average Muslim on the P&R forums" share quite similar characteristics. They are wealthier, better educated, and far less happy than their peers.
     
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  3. iggysick

    iggysick Guest

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    #23
    Total BS. Based on videos and recent pictures if anyones intention was to kill someone there would be dead soldiers. We aint seen any.
    Do you want us to believe that a terrorists who are ready to kill innocent people including woman and children missed oportunity to kill soldeirs when they had a chance?
     
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  4. NightVisioN

    NightVisioN Well-Known Member

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    #24
    Well, they tried.

    http://fotogaleri.hurriyet.com.tr/GaleriDetay.aspx?cid=36575&p=9&rid=2
     
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  5. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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  6. robjones

    robjones Notable Member

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    #26
    Repeating for those that missed it. Erroneously referring to the dead as "peace activists" doesnt change the facts below.
    Read the news stories dated PRIOR to the incident. Note the words of the planners... [SOURCE]

    • Their stated purpose was a MILITARY objective.
    • They attempted to accomplish it by employing deadly force.
    • That is not consistent with declaring them peace activists. ["Combatants", yes... "peace activists"... no. ]

    They weren't sought out while going about their daily routines of caring for their families at home... they made a conscious decision to provoke confrontation. Combatants do get killed, and that's the risk they accepted when they chose to sail into a military blockade and even moreso when they attacked the boarding party. AGAIN, you can TRY to reposition these people after the fact as peaceful, but their own words and actions say otherwise.
     
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  7. mugzy

    mugzy Well-Known Member

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    #27
    My opinion is that Israel has become trigger happy and stikes way to fast without diplomacy. I wouldnt want to live near Israel either, dont get me wrong these clowns around them that blow themeselves up thinking
    that this will get them sex with virgins is the most rediculous thing I have ever heard of.
     
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  8. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #28
    In this case, the Israeli's gave the terrorists many warnings to turn back or turn towards Ashdod. The terrorists knew the plan before they left port. The Israeli's announced their boarding and the terrorists used that knowledge to prepare their ambush. The Israeli's tried every possible path of diplomacy open to them and the terrorists refused every single offer.
     
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  9. mugzy

    mugzy Well-Known Member

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    #29
    Good point ...... its a real mess over there.
     
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  10. iggysick

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    #30
    Lol are you for real?!? Do you guys live in lalaland or something?!?
    They had a military objective?!? Seriously lol
    It's incredible what kind of excuses you guys find for Israel and their fuck ups...
    Get yourself educated before posting such nonsense.
    Protest
    Now, you guys need to repat that dealy force rubbish day after day after day and few stupid uneducated americans will eat that fairy tale up but hardly majority of the world.
    If anyone on that boat was a terrorist with intetion to kill someone based on videos and pictures I am 100% sure that there would be dead soldier but there isn't single one. Why? I'm curious to hear answer on that question.

    And they are terrorist because.... You say so? You mean if you repat word "terroristg" 1000 times that will make them terrorists?
     
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  11. robjones

    robjones Notable Member

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    #31
    Read their own words... THEY said the mission was "not about delivering humanitarian supplies", they were there to break a blockade, to end a siege.

    Those are their words, and yes, military objectives.
     
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  12. Will.Spencer

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    #32
    I find it amusing that now that the facts are all on the table, the main Islamist disinformation tactic now appears to be denying the ability to read or to remember facts for more than two seconds.
     
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    #33
    BS

    Protest

     
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    #34
    I find it amusing that you guys call your BS facts. :)
     
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    #35
    Quoted to give moreplayerz another chance to see the obvious.
     
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    #36
    And the whole world is blind except few hardcore israeli supporters on DP...
     
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    #37
    MoreP - The words I quoted were from news articles posted prior to the incident, and they were direct quotes from the organizers. Are you suggesting that is not the truth, or that breaking a blockade or ending a seige are not military objectives.

    Simply saying"BS" isn't an argument... lets hear you counter the facts. I supplied the news source, but feel free to check those quotes elsewhere. They're the real thing.
     
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  18. iggysick

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    #38
    Civilian organisations can only have protests as I've posted twice. Are you suggesting that civilian organisations can have military objectives in war time?
     
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  19. Will.Spencer

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    #39
    Well of course!

    An objective is independent of the status of those who seek it.

    Your argument would paint Al Qaeda, which is a civilian organization, as a group of peace protesters!
     
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    #40
    A military objective doesnt cease to be a military objective just because the guy trying to achieve it isnt in uniform.

    Over the last decade there have been very few Muslim combatants that actually wore a uniform. They're prone to shield themselves behind women and children. It's only when they get their butts kicked or caught that they suddenly recall there should be rules of war... when they are not in immediate danger they're known for such humanitarian projects as sawing off Daniel Pearle's head on camera while he's tied up and helpless or setting off explosives in building populated by civilians.

    Based on observation, easy to argue that those that kill people for the glory of allah have proven to be pathetic shells of human beings. Theyre good at murder but just flat suck at combat.
     
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