Is Google PR depends upon backlinks from related content?

Discussion in 'Google' started by Freewebspace, Dec 1, 2006.

  1. #1
    I have a great doubt whether PR depends upon Backlinks from other sites which

    have related content to yours?

    E.g webhosting sites should have links from other webhosting sites

    I suspect this as I think it is a simply propaganda by Google, SEO's and webmasters for their own profit

    These are my valid points for this:

    1)How could Google Find that you have Back links from irrelevant sites?

    2)And how could they find that you links from sites that are related to your content

    For E.g A SEO site may have backlinks from webhosting related site

    I want some valid answers here for my questions
     
    Freewebspace, Dec 1, 2006 IP
  2. kh7

    kh7 Peon

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    #2
    PR is not dependent on the subject of the two sites.

    What does matter though is ranking. And ranking is (partly) dependent on whether links to your site are from sites on related subjects. These things aren't black and white. Every link counts (unless there is a rel no follow on it), but some links count more than others. One factor in deciding how much a link counts, is whether it is from a site on a related topic. Another factor is whether it's from a website that google trusts.

    As for how can google see whether a site is related in subject to another... That's the easy part, for google anyhow (not sure I'd be able to program it). Google knows which keywords are related, because they have huge databases on which words go together on webpages, which keywords are linked to which other keywords etc. So anything that fits those patterns, will be more trusted and anything that is out of the ordinary would be suspect.

    For instance it would be normal for a spirituality website to link to a website on Buddhism or yoga, but when it links to a website on football something strange is going on. So the first link would be more trusted then the second.
     
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  3. Freewebspace

    Freewebspace Notable Member

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    But I think the keywords can't do much?because if a website has keywords related to webhosting,SEO,link development its related

    But from my perspective It would be very difficult to track those keywords

    But I think it will be like this webmaster site related to a webmaster site will gain relevant back link
     
    Freewebspace, Dec 1, 2006 IP
  4. CrankyDave

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    PR is a function of the URL and not text.

    Relevance plays no part in PR. If the page on which a link resides is in the index and not banned, it passes PR on to the target site regardless of content.

    Dave
     
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  5. mani

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    If you need traffic, then forget about PR, get backlinks from relevant pages, PR will increase but no one knows when, i have no PR of my site but i am getting traffic from google.
     
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  6. thedark

    thedark Well-Known Member

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    #6
    Google PR is not depending on related backlinks, but search engine rankings yes.
     
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  7. PinotNoir

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    Yeah, I hate to say it, but content matching is a myth. I have seen so many examples of irrelevant sites get rewarded high PR. Of course, Google will not admit this, but their programs are not yet able to distinguish sites that are not related.
     
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  8. linkpro

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    Oh....wow.

    Getting links from relevant sites is key. There is no arguing with that. Getting links from well known authority sites is key...even if the site is not entirely relevant.

    OH YEAH...just thought I would throw this out to all those people who are in the dark.

    PR DOES NOT MATTER FOR RANKINGS - IT DOES NOT BOOST YOUR SITE IN THE SEARCH ENGINES -
     
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  9. Freewebspace

    Freewebspace Notable Member

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    Though I know very well That the PR does not boost rankings ,I am only asking about frantic link selling by webmasters on The false propanganda that links from related sites will boost your PR and search Engine rankings
     
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    I'm always amazed at what people will believe without finding out for themselves. Propaganda is rife, and the fear people have of google is quite amusing. There was a recent rumour about links that open in a different window not having the same weight as links that do not. Some were scrambling to change their code :rolleyes:

    I've seen many sites do well in the serps who have purchased links on completely irrelevant websites. That's not to say that relevant sites aren't important, but irrelevant sites can give you an allinanchor boost, I know because I have tested it with my own websites.
     
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  11. dudy255

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    links from related sites does improve your search engine rankings as google algorithms changes every time so it is very difficult to say any thing
     
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  12. Seiya

    Seiya Peon

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    #12
    Its simple, the more links you have the better the pr, there is a nice pr graph going around that is quite accurate..... for the amount of links you need to get a ceirtain pr.
     
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    infonote Well-Known Member

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    #13
    They have spent thousands of hours on an algorithm. The algorithm takes over 100 factors into consideration.
     
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    In my experience backlinks from relevant content webpages gives you more PR juice than irrelevant backlinks.
     
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    mjewel Prominent Member

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    kh7 is correct. If you are talking about toolbar PR, relevance of the link makes no difference in the PR it will pass. A non-relevant link may pass PR will not help you rank any better with google. Each page passes approximately 85% of its PR, but that PR is divided between the number of outgoing links on the page i.e. a page with 1 outgoing link passes 10X the PR to the linked page vs. the same page with 10 outgoing links. Buying or obtaining links from non-related sites will increase your toolbar PR, but do nothing (or very little) to help you with rankings.

    A couple of months ago, I created a site that isn't remotely related to any other site I have. I placed a link from another site I own (PR6) to this site. The sites are with different hosts. This new site (still being developed), which wasn't promoted anywhere and didn't have any other links to it, received a PR5 with the last update. All the PR came from that single link and the sites couldn't be more unrelated. While this PR won't help me rank any better, it will address the issue of webmaster who will not exchange links with PR0 sites.

    Unless you are selling links, or just want to get PR for link exchange purposes, you want to focus on relevant links from authority sites and forget about PR. Many industry experts (including the head of ASK search) believe google has completely removed PR from its SERP's algorithm. "Authority sites" generally have a high PR, but it's their "authority" that helps you improve rankings, not the PR.
     
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    I think so too.

    Too increase your rankings, google says 'Submit your site to relevant directories such as the Open Directory Project and Yahoo!, as well as to other industry-specific expert sites'.

    That is an exact quote copied from google's help.

    Located here

    http://www.google.com/support/webma...ry=how+do+i+increase+my+rankings&topic=&type=

    now all we have to do is find the meaning of 'industry specific expert sites'

    I mean I don't see yahoo's or msn's link on google.

    I think submitting to directories could help.
     
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  17. kh7

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    Since any good directory is organised by topic - this makes absolute sense: a link from a (good) directory will give you a boost, because it's a topical link: the link comes from a page that is on topic for your site, and the link-text is also likely to fit the topic of your site.
    As for industry specific expert sites - that is easy: which sites come up when you search for 'your general keyword' + directory or 'your keyword' + links ? The top 30 or so are expert sites. If you can get a link there, you are in a good position. Repeat every 6 months (not more often, because the same sites will be on top and you risk annoying the webmasters).
     
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  18. draligus

    draligus Well-Known Member

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    i agree with you
     
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