Is Economic Liberty necessary for Personal Liberty?

If we broadly define Personal Liberty as "freedom", is it possible to be "free" if you do not have the freedom to keep what you earn, define how much you can work and earn, define your own personal contract rates for investments, savings, donations etc.?

 

True economic freedom is not having to earn at all in my opinion.
Having to earn money to live is a tyranny of sorts.

But yeah, economic liberty limits personal liberty.
A man who has no economic liberty or depends on someone else is a slave.

 

The ancient Athenians believed that you should not work for someone more than siz months or you were a slave.

 

If everyone kept all their money to themselves, them how would a country operate?

For example, where would the money come from to pay for a fighter jet, fuel, pilots wages & everything else related to a fighter jet, to protect you when a country decides to bomb you or your country?

 

It depends on how much the money you give to your government affects your life. There's no such a thing as absolute freedom anyway

 

15% SS tax
15-30% federal tax
State tax

Then once I finally get my money and I want to buy anything, I have to pay a sales tax. Now figure in inflation and currency devaluation. What's the point of even working? Over 50% of what I make is down the shitter before I even get my paycheck.

 

Great discussion guys, keep it going. I'll chime in with my thoughts later. But really great responses so far, thank you!

 

There is a cost for freedom and it is in $$$.

Money isn't everything, but some people seem to only have one focus $$$. What a sad life, to live for the $ and die leaving it all behind.

 

True freedom is having no attachments and no aversions.

 

hmm, idk i'm thinkin something like

OWNED.

but idk that's just me

 

I agree. It is impossible to be free if you are restraint in your living. If you constantly think about consuming, then, it isn't possible to be free. Unless if you are a billionaire, but even the richest people in the world can't buy everything they want. Be homeless, or move to another country and be a monk.

 

Not sure/Don't understand

 

I believe some are not aware of how good they have it. Surely this is yet another reason why "America sucks" and only RP can save the world?

 

we should be thankful for this dictatorship.

 

Let's try to keep it on topic guys. I'd like to discuss the issues if possible without the sidebars or partisanship. Strictly philosophy. Thanks!

 

Property taxes are the worst. At least with an income tax you can stop working hard or with a vat tax stop buying. But property taxes have to be paid or you will be in the street.

 

Equating a post about being overtaxed to a post saying tax is needed is stupid & immature, the fact remains countries don't run on water.

If anyone thinks taxes are not needed then lets stick them all on an island,
they can then run their own country lol

 

When you have money in the pocket, you automatically have more confidence, can deal with issues, solve problems, make others happy, enjoy life..... Every thing depends on money IMO...

 

Wanted to bring this one back. I think iul and I have had some pretty good debates on laissez-faire capitalism vs. socialism, and I would say that is pretty much the subject matter here.

I was really surprised to see the votes so even.

If I understand this correctly, many people don't see welfare -or- taxation as compromising freedom. Sound right?

 

About right.