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Is Christ is God or His Father

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by FlyOn, May 7, 2010.

  1. eric8476

    eric8476 Active Member

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    #21
    religious people hate jesus? please explain more
     
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    #22
    I can run but never walk?
    I have a mouth but never talk?
    I have a bed but never sleep?
    I have a head but never weep?



    What am I?
     
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    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #23
    A mute crack addict.


    or a river.
     
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  4. Breeze Wood

    Breeze Wood Peon

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    #24


    As stated before, Jesus Christ did not transcribe himself any of his offerings knowing full well the religion is not about his being but an objective for each individual to fulfill - different people have different circumstances among other examples etc. etc.

    The Christians have no more knowledge of the actual words spoken by Christ than anyone else or even that he existed as being important. Remittance by any chosen means is just as probable as any other. Christianity is not the religion of the Bible but a path that many consider ill advised at best - for countless reasons for correction.

    Christians so closed minded are the problem for everyone.

    The triumph of good over evil will insure Armageddon never happens as is God will.
     
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  5. luke12

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    #25
    You speak a lot of baloney. Christianity is not a religion of the bible? Are you sure about that?
    Christianity is not the problem. It's people like you who are opposing it because simply put they have nothing else to offer except the trash talking.
    Faithful Christians have a lot of knowledge about the words of Christ.

    "The triumph of good over evil will insure Armageddon never happens as is God will". Can you explain this to me? What do you know about Armageddon?
     
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    #26
    The bible itself is a pagan book which contains both true scripture and false scripture. It was put together by a pagan. The holy spirit is one thing. The bible another.
     
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  7. Breeze Wood

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    #27

    Armageddon is the triumph of evil - The event all believers in God strive to prevent.

    Amageddon is the triumph of good - left out of the "Christian" bible.


    Parable - Prophecy, Noah's ark: When the last good person perishes (Armageddon) or the last evil person perishes (Amageddon) God will return to judge those remaining, the final day of Judgment, either they or the last to perish will be granted remittance to the Garden of Eden. (short version)

    This is our understanding for Gods return and explanation for Noah who was to have been the last person of good - rather than end mans quest with his immanent death God returned beforehand, destroyed the evil that was destined anyway and gave mankind another chance - and as stated before who knows why but there may be a labour shortage in the heavens and they need volcano cleaners. - - We have no sympathy for Christians, deserters of Jesus, take it or leave it - no difference to us.


    Edenist Congregation the Church of Amageddon: ECCA
     
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    babak44 Active Member

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    #28
    I don't know it's make sense or not but in Greek ancient mythology gods had son!
     
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    #29
    Who were the "religious" people when Jesus was walking on the earth?

    As usual, not much of anything you typed makes any sense in English.

    You obviously haven't read the Bible, you are taking what someone told you is in the Bible without verifying. This is a good way to stay controlled.
    You still claim Christians deserted Jesus, again you are clueless to what Jesus said. You really should stop just believing what you are told and do some research to verify.
    You crack me up about the part about Armageddon, do you really think man could change God's plans? If God can be changed by man, then He wouldn't be God, but of course whatever god you believe in probably is weaker than man.
     
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    debunked Prominent Member

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    #30
    Without the Holy Spirit guiding the one reading the Bible, it would become useless.

    But I have to ask since you have now completely switched your view, what proof do you have about false scriptures? You claim the Pauline theology thing without backing it up with evidence. Where does Paul teach opposite of Christ?
     
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  11. luke12

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    Debunked,

    He is Jewish so he has to say that > False & true> (old testament/torah). I find it Ironic that he believes in one half of the book. If he reads the old testament carefully, he will find all the evidence of the Jesus' coming and all the events that happened. The prophets that came and all the rules of the old testament were preparations for the first coming of Jesus.
     
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  12. Breeze Wood

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    #32

    Your written script is nothing but contrivance - the very statement of yours above.

    .......

    Were more than happy reading the Garden and feel right at home with its Creator.

    The Bible should be something a person will write at the end of their lives than read of someone else's hand. Christians are clueless that they rely on a book.
     
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    #33


    Here is a part from a few articles:




    http://www.theworldsprophecy.com/wa...r-for-i-became-your-father-1-corinthians-415/



    ‘A DIFFERENT GOSPEL’preached by ‘Paul’
    Instead of “THIS GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM PREACHED BY THE TWELVE APOSTLES OF THE LAMB IN ALL THE WORLD”(Matthew 24:14. 26:13), the “devil ‘Paul’ and his angels, by their own admission,preach “a different gospel…promting “LAWLESSNESS” (Jude 4)by saying that, according to ‘Paul’s’ gospel “all things are lawful”(2 Corinthians 11:4. 1 Corinthians 10:23).
    This ANTI-CHRIST ‘Paul’ and his “MANY ANTI-CHRISTS”, warned of by Yeshua are the “UNGODLY PERSONS PERVERTING THE GRACE OF OUR GOD INTO LAWLESSNESS” (Jude 4) and “LEADING MANY ASTRAY” (Matthew 24:4,5). for the last tWO THOUSAND YEARS

    THE TRUE GOSPEL and THE FALSE ‘gospel ‘.
    (Luke 1:50. 23:40. Revelation 14:6,7)

    THE TRUE ETERNAL GOSPEL
    IS THE GOSPEL FOR THOSE “WHO FEAR GOD”
    PREACHED BY YESHUA (JESUS) OF NAZARETH
    AND BY THE TWELVE APOSTLES
    OF YESHUA THE MESSIAH (JESUS CHRIST)

    “…them also who shall believe in me THROUGH THEIR WORD”.
    (John 17:20)
    “FEAR GOD AND GIVE HIM GLORY”

    ” FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD
    THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON
    THAT WHOEVER
    BELIEVES
    THAT YESHUA (JESUS) OF NAZARETH
    IS THE MESSIAH (CHRIST)
    THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF
    THE ONLY TRUE GOD, THE FATHER,
    THAT PERSON
    WILL NOT PERISH
    BUT HAVE
    EVERLASTING LIFE ”
    (Revelation 14:6. Luke 1:50. John 3:16. Matthew 16:16. John 17:3. John 20:31)

    YESHUA (JESUS)THE MESSIAH AND THE TWELVE APOSTLES OF THE LAMB
    PREACHED THIS
    THE ONLY TRUE ETERNAL GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM.

    (Mark 1:15. Matthew 24:14. John 17:20)

    THIS IS THE ONLY ETERNAL GOSPEL
    OR GOOD NEWS
    FROM HEAVEN.
    (Matthew 21:25. John 17:20)

    WHICH GOD,THE FATHER,CALLS UPON EVERYONE WHO “FEARS GOD”, TO ” BELIEVE ”
    (Luke 1:50. Deuteronomy 18:15. John 20:31).
    TO RECEIVE ETERNAL LIFE and THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS
    (John 20:31. 1 John 5:1)

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    #34
    I believe in Yeshua, but I also see the perversion that occurred. How Rome changed things and decided to alter things, leave out books (Henock) and add lunacy to confuse and control followers.
    I believe in what you call the old testament, the gospel. Revelations seems pretty accurate, but wasn't it more or less Daniel rewritten?

    I believe Yeshua is the son of God. But I do not believe that hardly any of what came after him was indeed meant to be followed. It was a pagan who decided what followers of Yeshua read.

    Ask yourself: Would an anti-follower of Yeshua miss out on the opportunity to confuse his followers?

    Many of the tribes are returning to Y'israel and believe in what is called the "new covenant".
    Hardly any jew I know believes that the bible in itself is meant to be what it became. Including both, followers of just the old law and messianic (followers of Yeshua) ones.

    A few more sites: http://www.backtoyahweh.com/

    http://www.justgivemethetruth.com
    http://www.islamlies.com
    http://www.talmudblasphemy.com
    Ugly looking websites, but most of the info is spot on.

    Here is another one, messianic network. http://socialspiritualnetwork.com
    Y'israel is now a spiritual warzone.

    Nowhere in the bible you see a reference to the bible. Yeshua talks about the prophets. He also was the final chapter. Sure, Yochanan (John) wrote revelations and claims visions and it could be true. But all in all, the way the truth and the light doesn't require me to accept at truth what a pagan emperor and His team decided to add lateron. Just because who, the catholic church promoted it?

    Of course, if you're guided by the spirit, then you are able to be led and God won't mislead you. But other than that, I seriously do not believe that Paul was of God. He was the great confuser. An implant. Yeshua is all you need to get to the father.

    Amein!
     
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    #35
    I agree that "Yeshua" was God's name in the old testament. But..the holy spirit is part of God that's why I believe in signs that God gives us today. I follow the words of Jesus or Yeshua if you want to call him. The way I see it, all the disciples were chosen by God such as paul, John, Mark and even Judas who betrayed him..but God knows everyone's intentions. I trust God's Choice. Paul was an enemy of the Church until God Changed him and came to him in the form of light- That's when he became one of Jesus' disciples and followed the words of God.
    I know the Church in the west had a lot of enemies from satan's work against God..including members of the Church themselves. They gave the Church a bad image, but God's voice must be heard across all nations before the second coming.

    God Bless,
     
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    #36
    Paul declared he was teaching another Gospel of which he himself was the Father
    . His teachings blatently contradicted Yeshuas teachings. He was rejected by Peter. All of it is in there.
     
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    Interesting, but I think if you read the Bible you would find this to not be true. Just what I know from reading the Bible I know that the verses mentioned above and the explanations are completely wrong and misleading on purpose. The person who wrote those things knows he lies, now I wonder who the false prophet is? Seems to be the same lying tongue that leads islams imams.

    Your other post (the long one) reads just like something posted on an islamic hate site. Way to much guessing and not actually stating much of anything. Really.

    Where does Paul say he is the son of God (in other words-is calling himself Jesus (Yeshua)? ) Not just a son of God but THE Son of God?
    I don't want to sit here and try to go back and forth over every detail, especially since it isn't Paul I read about but Jesus Christ (Yeshua) our Savior, the Christ, the Son of the Living God.

    The author of confusion is satan and he is also the lead of many religions. But satan, budha, muhamad, etc.. can't control the Holy Spirit. They have no power over God. If Paul was all you copy and pastedly said he was then I would have much more to say about Paul than Jesus. Paul is a man, not worshipable, not perfect, not mine or anyone's savior, just Paul. I believe he was a man used by God to spread the Gospel.

    I think you may want to spend more time reading what the words in the Bible say and how they go together rather than what man says. Ask the Holy Spirit to show you personally and to reveal God's truth.
     
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    #38
    All the above is ridiculous - remittance to the Garden from which who knows is all that is asked of mankind....there is no Satan nor will there be mankind that harbor such thoughts. Satan and the place of hell are nomore as there is the Creator and no other.
     
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    The garden of Eden? Here it is under sharia law

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    #40
    I agree, that lady's sites read terribly and overly emotional. But there are many messianic jews who have strong doubts in Paul's validity. Here is a more evenhandedly written compilation of contradictions:

    http://www.facebook.com/notes/larry-hendricks/questioning-paul-the-wanna-be-apostle/392089364142

    My question to you would be if you consider the Book of Enoch authentic. And if it is, wouldn't it be fair to assume that someone who willfully leaves out scripture from what would become the Bible, it indicated strongly that other parts would have been added?
     
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