Is Bidding on a Bid Directory a form of Gambling?

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Is Bidding on a Bid Directory a form of Gambling?

Poll closed Nov 15, 2007.
  1. YES

    13 vote(s)
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  2. NO

    35 vote(s)
    72.9%
  1. #1
    ...Is Bidding on a Bid Directory a form of Gambling?...

    I believe so. Anyone else? Any takes on this?
     
    SteveNO, Sep 26, 2007 IP
  2. SteveNO

    SteveNO Peon

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    4 voted NO, but decided not to state any reasons for why?

    Lets debate people! Are the bidding directory owners a bit afraid?
     
    SteveNO, Sep 26, 2007 IP
  3. mikey1090

    mikey1090 Moderator Staff

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    I'm not afraid. Whilst i don't have the time no the effort to pull up a definition of gambling, and analyse it, i can add some things.

    Whilst gambling does result it an unknown event, you do know some things about a bid directory. Firstly, bidding $1000 does not gaurantee you anything, as you may be outbidded. This is the same with gambling - you place your bet without and known facts you will get a return. HOWEVER, when you bid in a bid directory, you are actually buying something, just gambling on the placement of that something. At the casino you can bet and loose everything. In a bid directory you're still aware that you will get something out of it.

    Also, i wouldnt really say bid directories are addictive. Theres no return of cash in it. People get addicted to gambling, as placing a $10 bet could lead to them recieving $100 back. With a bid directory the only return is what you paid for - same as a flat fee based directory.

    I do hope people will actually read this post, and not continue to post crap....
     
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  4. SteveNO

    SteveNO Peon

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    So are you saying you don't know the definition of gambling, yet you can fully say bidding on bid directories is not a form of gambling? :rolleyes:

    Bingo!


    As you said before and perhaps many times, people bid to be on the front page in return for traffic. They are not bidding hundreds of dollars otherwise. They don't bid hundreds of dollars to not be on the main page. That being said, they are taking a "gamble" to be on the front page. And its a FACT that anyone can outbid them and force the existing 10th spot or w/e spot it may be to lose their main page advertising spot. So your wrong again Mikey. You can lose what you paid for.



    You should read up on the definition of gambling. No where does it say gambling has to be addictive. Not all people are addicted to gambling. There are millions who gamble and not addicted at all.

    The difference between a "bidding" directory and a "flat fee" based directory is that bidding directories involve the submitter BIDDING. :rolleyes:
     
    SteveNO, Sep 26, 2007 IP
  5. loredan

    loredan Well-Known Member

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    Are you trying to prove something SteveNO?

    I can't see the reason why you maximised and bolded so much some afirmations.

    Bingo!

    If you take it the way you do then everything is gambling in life isn't it?

    Every bidding directory has a standard submission fee / review or whatever you want to call it. It is your only problem if you want more exposure and traffic and you can bid $1000 over the submission fee.

    Now let's say you decide to buy a car - a Ford for $100 or a Mercedes for $1000? No one will guarantee you that in 10 days time you won't have an accident and you'll damage your car. Isn't it a sort of gambling here?

    Let's say you have the option to send your child to a normal school or to a private and better school. No one will guarantee that your child will be smarter if he goes to the private one.

    Now let's be serious...the way you see the problem and ask the question is wrong - Bingo!

    Just my two cents...
     
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  6. mikey1090

    mikey1090 Moderator Staff

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    #6
    and anyway, why do you care if it is a form of gambling? Im no adwords expert, but dont you have to bid there to get a better exposure ratio...

    If bidding on a bid directory isnt addictive, i see no problem to it. You bid to control your placement, if you dont want to get involved, pay the minimum fee and stay out of it...
     
    mikey1090, Sep 26, 2007 IP
  7. werewe12

    werewe12 Well-Known Member

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    SteveNo, this has been discussed multiple times in this forum. Try searching through the "directory" section.
     
    werewe12, Sep 26, 2007 IP
  8. SteveNO

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    Uh...what does it look like I'm doing? I find it interesting that people really do think bidding directories are okay and not a form of gambling.

    How is everything in life a gamble?


    Funny, and what are the chances of you totally damaging your new car in 10 days?

    The keyword in the definition of gambling is risk. The fact that the chance of damaging your new car in 10 days is very low, theres NOT MUCH RISK involved. Therefore its not a gamble. :rolleyes:

    And how is this an example of gambling? Thats an option for the parents to decide which one is right. Has nothing to do with risking anything. You send your child to a public school and the child stays in the public school. You send your child to a private school and the child stays in the private school.
     
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  9. SteveNO

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    I have and those who agreed that bidding on a bid directory is a form of gambling did a poor job. The most efficient one was Phoenix, but I still don't think he made his point to clear. And Mikey, shush little guy. Your no fun.
     
    SteveNO, Sep 27, 2007 IP
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    I am an adicted gambler(really i am)i have even put a software in my computer that it costs much for not be able to gamble through internet.SO dont tell ME that bidding Directories is a form of GAMBLING.You have no idea what is gambling and how addicted it is!!!
     
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  11. SteveNO

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    Your point scooby doo? I admit, bidding on directories may not be the most exciting thing or give you that rush of excitement. But just because it gives you no rush, then doesn't mean bidding on directories is not a form of gambling.


    And sorry, not all people have an addictive personallity like you.
    There are millions of people who gamble soley as a pastime event. A lot of grandma's and grandpa's playing 25 cents slots , etc.
     
    SteveNO, Sep 27, 2007 IP
  12. werewe12

    werewe12 Well-Known Member

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    I can also argue that you are wrong, but the truth is that certain aspects of the concept could be considered gambling. On the other hand, you are going into the "auction" with knowledge that you are bidding a certain amount. You bid with knowledge that you might be outbid in the future. If outbid you can decide to spend more money for your placement. Gambling is slightly different -- less control. Get it?
     
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    DownUnder Well-Known Member

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    Life itself is a gamble in a sense, we make decions based on our knowledge and hope the return is as planned for.

    Every business in a sense is a gamble - we do our homework then based on all of our information we decide if we will undertake that business.

    No business has a iron clad tick the boxes guarantee , if it was that easy we would all be rich.

    Are bidding directories gambling ? my answer is NO for the simple reason the outcome is not a chance, you know up front how it works and the results of your actions, in that you may be outbid at any time, this should not come and does not come as shock horror, and is not based on chance or luck.
     
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  14. SteveNO

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    Thanks for your response.

    You are not going into an auction. If someone outbids you in an auction, you get your full money back that you bidded. You don't lose anything.

    If day 1, you reach spot #5. Day 7, you lose it to other bidders for an X amount of time. So therefore you are technically losing what you paid for. Then it will force you to spend even more money to gain the spot back. And when you do, you are again taking another gamble.

    There are lots of gambling games that give you no control what so ever.
     
    SteveNO, Sep 27, 2007 IP
  15. scoobby

    scoobby Active Member

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    And Mikey, shush little guy. Your no fun.
    Your point scooby doo?
    And sorry, not all people have an addictive personallity like you.



    YES and NOT all personalitys are RUDE like you!
    And the thing is you DONT know anything neither for Gambling Neither for
    Biding Directories. I leave you in you ignorence STEVENOOB
     
    scoobby, Sep 27, 2007 IP
  16. SteveNO

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    Again, keyword is risk. Do you know why investors aren't considered gamblers? Its because investor's have to do their homework and research so that when they do invest, they are not taking too much of a risk (at least in their mindset). Therefore, investors aren't considered gamblers. However, I'm not saing investors don't take gambles, because some do actually take gambles.


    It too is a chance. When you bid, you have no clue on who will outbid you. And the really shady thing about bid directories is that any type of bids can be improper. So there is a chance involved that someone may outbid you, or even scam you.

    lol, like I said, I'm sorry scoobby. I admit, I was rude to you since your reply was not thought out. To simply say I'm wrong and to leave such a short nonsense explanation is rude itself.
     
    SteveNO, Sep 27, 2007 IP
  17. Ibn Juferi

    Ibn Juferi Prominent Member

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    Its nine people who voted no as opposed to five now. Seems that you are outgunned.
     
    Ibn Juferi, Sep 27, 2007 IP
  18. werewe12

    werewe12 Well-Known Member

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    We can look at it from many different perspectives. Some people are bidding to be in an average position. Not everyone wants to be number one. Bidding is an extra feature. If the directory is famous and sends lots of traffic for top position than it might be worth the price to be number one or first page, maybe even for a short period of time. It is our job as consumers to do our due diligence.
     
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  19. SteveNO

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    I don't think any bididng directory is famous, but if you want to look at it that way, then thats fine.

    If someone really wanted the traffic and bid a high amount, then its lousy due diligence. A poor gamble :D
     
    SteveNO, Sep 27, 2007 IP
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    DownUnder Well-Known Member

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    Buddy hug a tree , save a whale but get it right.

    You are correct you have no clue on who will outbid you, but you do know the system and how it works and is therfore not a gamble, you pay your money knowing the possible results.

    Now if you want to tell me i know crap about gambling, then think again, for the last 7 years i have written many systems for horse racing, dogs and trots. ( please note i sold my half of this company to my partner to build directories 6 months ago but still get royalties )

    We are very succesful in our tipping service and rate very high, we currently have undertaken a national supply contract to move our system into every hotel / club in the country, so you can rabbit on all day what gambling is or is not, and i will say again for you a bid directory is not a gamble, it is a known outcome or result.
     
    DownUnder, Sep 27, 2007 IP