Is anybody tired of paying for high taxes.

So we all know healthcare was recently passed and im pretty sure the goverment is going to tax us to death to support this. They say it will cost a trillion but i doubt it. Does anything the goverment says it will cost ever meet the budget. I mean the goverment cant even budget tax money who thinks they are going to budget healthcare?

As i have stated i work hard but it feels like no one listens to anybody who supports a ron paul view. Low taxes, Freedom, No goverment intervention, ect.

It feels like everytime i get my check from my job the IRS steals from me. You know what is sad is that i see people on welfare all the time but they never get critizied. How come people on welfare dont get yelled at.

My mom use to yell at me for a bad grade or not taking responsiblity. How come life is so much different.

nothing makes sense anymore, mabey it is time to Opt out paying taxes give most the money to the childrens hospital and tell the goverment your not getting any cut.

(Im not in the mood to debate so if you come in trying to attack me then im not going to respond i just want opinions on this)

 

I earn quite a lot of money in my new job and some months i pay over £1500 ($3000) in tax. But ya know what, thats the price of living in a civilised, clean, safe, free country. How do you think we pay for paving, public lighting, fire engines, police services, courts, a millitary. These are things that a progressive country needs and they need to be paid for.

In England we have NI (national insurance) and this is what is used to fund the NHS. When we get our pay slips the NI payment is separate to income tax so we can see exactly how much the NHS has cost us as an individual. While NI contributions don't effect the level of health care you recieve it can effect the amount which youl recieve as a state pension when you retire.

 

One of my friends fumes about paying tax when he finds out stories like this one: Top Tory Jeremy Hunt let agent stay free in taxpayer-funded home

He is in one of those jobs where his tax increases every year so he looks at his tax contributions increase regularly.

 

It was funny i was in my debate class last year and this girl fought me to the teeth trying to prove that welfare is working to ending poverty. I couldnt stop laughing. This girl comes in tries to tell me that you know i grew up pretty lower middle class. She has her 20,000$ Gucci bag around her shoulder while holding her 500$ blackberry. Now i dont hate on people who have that i feel good for them but if you didnt buy it and your deffending the goverment taking taxes illegaly i might add from my income i find that disgusting. I thought about not paying and taking it to court. If i won i would never have to pay an income tax again which would be great. Anyways daddy had droped her off in the bently why im getting a ride from my dad's S-10

Anyways to make a long story short my teacher agreed with her saying " we can be that crazying taking away welfare who going to feed the children" Where they going to get jobs i had a perfect option instead of welfare.

Picture this ok.


We set a system up where instead of getting a check from the goverment business owners, investors ect can go down to unemployment office ok and post jobs, Part time jobs, gigs ect. Everytime they higher X amount of people for X amount of Dollars they get a 10% tax cut. Think about that idea tell me what you think. My teacher told me that is a stupid idea but i want to hear what you think. Think about that when i have money and i know i will because im already starting to see progress, I would go down higher a bunch of people to do some side work for a project im doing then i would get a tax cut. Im helping the community and im creating economic oppurtunity.

I dont know why no one has done this yet but we should it would be a much better system then giving somthing for nothing.

 

ha, come to Austria to see what high taxes mean - if you earn more than EUR 60.000 a year, you pay 50% income tax. of course, 20% VAT on everthing you buy....and 21% health and pension insurance ....and many, many other hidden taxes...it is really a shame! no wonder so many people chose not to work and live on walfare.

 

Society now and before is different - people are lazy now, in the olden days people wanted to work and keep busy.

Welfare doesn't make people lazy because its open to all citizens but only a small fraction get it.

I'm afraid you made too many assumptions there for me to even take it seriously, no offense. I grew up poor but my family worked hard to be middle class from working class so that why maybe her dad is driving a Bentley. The gucci bag and blackberry could have been bought by her and not the state.

Paying tax is a part of life, pay no tax then use no local and federal services so in other words live in a field because our taxes go everywhere.

 

High taxes discourage real work ethic. People work hard to have nice things like a Bentley. If the government is siphoning off all your money through taxes then you are not going to see the rewards for your hard work so you're not going to work as hard. There's no point. Work hard or don't work hard. Either way you end up with very little.

Welfare in the US was improved when it became dependent on doing actual work. Some people are content with very little as long as they don't have to exert effort. So they'll milk welfare until they die if they can. There was a white trash family who had no interest in potty training their mentally handicapped son because the government was giving them free diapers. The kid is a teenager now and wants to use the potty but the parents refuse to train him. Some people are really really lame.

 

Welfare is out of control. I did a research paper in 2007 the goverment spent 318.3 billion dollars on welfare servies. I bet 50 bucks it is way worse now. that is alot money people will say well it isnt a trillion like 320 billion dollars isnt alot of money already.

Healthcare is going to make this worse if i work hard what is the point? 40% taxes will just screw me over.

 

I get irritated when I think of my tax money going to support wars I don't believe in (ie the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the War on Drugs) but I think it's really pathetic when people complain about paying taxes in general. As George Costanza said: WE'RE LIVING IN A SOCIETY!

And BTW, it's extremely unlikely that you will be taxed anymore to pay for the new health care plan. In the bill the House just passed, only those making over $500K a year are taxed (although it's likely this won't be in the final bill.. it should be.) and if you're making $500K a year, I think you'll manage to get by!

Republicans love to complain about taxes, but the truth is Obama is actually lowering taxes for most Americans, only the very richest are going to be getting any kind of increase. It's so sad to me to see these idiot tea baggers out their protesting things that haven't happened and aren't going to happen. They're just not connected to reality, at all.

And I don't believe that line about how "taxes discourage real work ethic." What a bunch of nonsense. It's just not true. At all.

 

Welfare isn't just bad for the economy, its bad for the very people who receive it. Any time you give people money for doing nothing, the price they pay is a bit of their dignity. Bill Clinton understood that.

 

It's extremely hard to justify many of the things our government spends OUR TAX money on... to name a few:

$26 million to operate the Selective Service (draft boards) even though there is no draft now—and hasn’t been any since 1973.
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$146 million annually for federal workers to buy first class premium plane tickets
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$1.8 million will go to California for exotic pet diseases research
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$2 million is being handed to the First Tee program, headquartered in St. Augustine, Florida, which uses golf to teach "life skills" to kids
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the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland is getting $200,000 to educate schoolchildren about rock music
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$175,000 is the price tag for a mural that will be painted on a flood wall in Cape Girardeau, Missouri
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$150,000 to The Grammy Foundation to support Grammy Camp, where 60 high school students go to learn about the music business, including singing, songwriting and engineering. (Tuition, room and board is listed as $1,800.) Why are taxpayers helping the industry develop potential stars and other careers in the music business?
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You could make lists of stupid shit like this miles long. If you want to see larger scale wasted spending, you could always look at things like:

The MSN report on $1Billion in Medicare wastes giving things like wheelchairs to people with a "sprained wrist" and shoes for amputees...

How about the 3.5 mile tunnel (The Big Dig) that was proposed @ $2.5Billion and ended up costing $22Billion?

More examples of waste

A $725,000 pizza machine that over 2 years could only produce 2,000 pizzas because it kept breaking down. They finally junked it. The cost per pizza was $360. Here's the Source with many more examples of wasted government spending @ colleges.

$120 million spent to try and build a canal through the middle of FL connecting the Atlantic Ocean and the Golf of Mexico. It was dropped after spending the $120 mil. CNN Report

What about the recent Cash for Clunkers where it cost $24,000 in tax payer dollars per car to get traded in while the average that went to the consumer was only $4,200?!?!?!? They could have just bought them all new cars!! Source

You could spend your whole life posting stupid crap like this that our the US government has decided to waste OUR money on. So yeah, we all should love paying taxes when it goes to this stuff... right?

 

Well bill clinton, and you, have failed entirely to understand the principles and roles of welfare. Welfare isn't there to cater for those who don't want to provide for themselves, it's to care for those who can't.

Sure there are people who don't have dignity and like to accept handouts when they are perfectly able to care for themselves, but the care it provides for those unable, for whatever reason, to care for themselves contributes to society in a way which greatly outweighs the detriment caused by a few lazy bastards.

To say welfare is "bad for the people who receive it" demonstrates a complete ignorance towards the types of people who receive it, the reasons they receive it, the consequences of them not receiving it and what would happen to society if it were abolished.

 

Better that we have the government take the money and light it on fire than have a high paid executive pay for his new yacht with it. Business execs are bandits and thieves who are ruining our nation at the expense of the poor. Medical care is a good starting point, but in reality, the government should run every business to keep these scavengers off the backs of the poor. Venezuela has shown us the way. They are now getting rid of (nationalizing) golf courses in their country because they are obviously a gathering spot for the oppressors.

 

An Englishman attacks Bill Clinton. Hey Stox.... SHAZAAM!!!!!

 

Did I use too many big words for you? Or are you refusing to address anything I said because I'm completely right on the issue?

 

Funny to see Reseg and Zibblu agree on the same thing I was going to say, taxes aren't so bad if only they were spent properly. The problem with government spending is that lawmakers fail to realize the economic principle that there is an opportunity cost for everything, including what is spent by government. The problem is that lawmakers spend generously with money that is not theirs, therefore there is not any reason to care about an opportunity cost.

 

You know I don't waste time arguing with someone who advocates use of military force and occupation to rid foreign nations of their religion. Maybe if you were rational... but alas, I think the word Shazaam should do nicely for you.

 

Maybe if you find your views difficult to defend they would be best kept to yourself, there's a good lad.

 

Atheism = Agnosticism!!! In order to carry on a rational discussion of any topic, you have to be dealing with rational people. For you, any argument presented in support of any position, could just as easily be replaced with the word "Shazaam". For you words mean only what you want them to mean. I'm not sure if you've ever had a psych eval, but you are only loosely in touch with reality. I'll humor you and present the next four posts between us in advance:

Obamanation: Shazaam!
Stox Oooga Booga!!
Obamnation Flying monkey nuggets!
Stox I just ate a piece of my own poo!
Obamanation zigbat dawpin arfnot!
Stox My mother has large breasts!
Obamanation Aww.. your right stox. Why didn't I see the logic of your argument sooner.

 

Your cowardice is pittiful osamanation. Imagine standing up in a room full of people and shouting "shazaam" in a debate on the merits of welfare and it's effects on society. People would laugh at you, They would point and laugh as the ill educated bafoon who has, for some reasons, assumed that even though he is unable to defend his poistion and knows nothing of any worth, he is actually entitled to hold and express an opinion on the subject. The only thing that permits you to make such a humiliating case in support of something you don't even understand is your anonymity.

You may as well come out and say "i doesn't matter if i shit myself, nobody can see me". the tragic thing is you are probably a grown man. Sure a grown man with a chimpanzees brain capable of nothing but parroting what someone else has said without thinking about it yourself, but a grown man none the less.

The really sad thing is you have now realised that your position is facile and that you were an idiot for orriginally believing it, but because you have no integrity, no self respect and no intellectual honesty, instead of saying you were initially confdused and have changed your mind, you are resorting to blurting out random gibberish like some kind of demented Dr Zeuss character as if that is going to change our views on you and your ignorant, flacid, illeducated opinions.

Heres a plate, it's got your ass on it. SHAZAAM!