Is America heading for civil war?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by bigdoug, Mar 29, 2006.

  1. tesla

    tesla Notable Member

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    #21
    The mainstream media is using this as an excuse to attack people who are against illegal immigration. I don't care whether you're Mexican, Chinese, or Russian. There are 6.5 billion people on this planet and they CANNOT all live here. Period.

    The Chinese, Russian, and Mexican governments should set up a government like the US where you are actually free and can voice your opinion without being thrown in jail or executed. They should allow a middle class to exist in their countries instead of having either really poor or really rich classes.

    The biggest problem I have with illegal immigration has NOTHING to do with the illegals themselves. My problem is with US corporations who will "insource" and hire these people for pennies on the dollar and NO health benefits while American citizens get laid off.

    The way I see it, Americans are getting raped both ways. First our jobs are sent to India and China, then illegal are brought here to take more jobs. Um, am I the only who who can clearly see that the US is headed towards third world status, and the only people who benefit will be transnational corporations and corrupt governments?
     
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  2. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #22
    Nah... screw Mexico. Let's allow their hardest working citizens to immigrate to the U.S. They will get jobs, work hard, send their kids to school, found businesses, and make our country even wealthier.

    Mexico will continue to limp along in the turmoil caused by bad government.
     
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  3. Blitz

    Blitz Well-Known Member

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    #23
    You just proved my point? Actually, your population is growing at a much faster rate than I expected.

    300,000,000 / 1000 = 300,000
    If 13.9 per 1000 per year, that's 300,000*13.9 = 4,170,000
    4,170,000*10 = over 40 million, which is over a 10% increase.

    I left out all the cumulative stuff, but including that, and you've got another few million. Infact your population growth is pretty high:

    UK
    10.78 births/1,000 population (2005 est.)

    Canada
    10.78 births/1,000 population (2006 est.)
     
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  4. Blitz

    Blitz Well-Known Member

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    #24
    If it was as easy as asking the current people in power to leave quietly, and randomly adding millions of people into a 'middle class' society by supplying them with non-existant assets and put the rest of country on their shoulders, then every country with money problems would've done it already.

    As far as job stealing goes, yeah I'm sure they are taking your jobs. The problem is that they're jobs which your ordinary citizen wouldn't want to do, cleaning toilets/streets, working night shifts in supermarkets and fast food places... all minimum wage jobs which noone aspires to.
     
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  5. wwm

    wwm Peon

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    #25
    how is a protest == civil war?

    whats wrong with imigiration?? here in ireland one of the things making irish economy one of the fastest growing european economies are guess.. imigrants

    i know dozens of businesses from hi-tech areas to catering who need people, but theres aint enough skilled people to fill jobs
     
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  6. Blitz

    Blitz Well-Known Member

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    #26
    I agree that skilled workers are needed, but the vast majority aren't skilled.
     
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  7. debunked

    debunked Prominent Member

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    #27
    I think Pres.Fox has some stupid ideas by promoting his people to leave instead of finding ways to improve their own country to keep the hard workers!

    I would be thinking about how to create jobs in Mexico like what they are doing in India. Mexico is missing the boat on that deal. If they tought english as manditory in Mexican schools they would be able to do a lot more. The corrupt gov't there really limits their ability to improve........
    (sorry for the scrambled thoughts)
     
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  8. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #28
    WRONG. I just read a story the other day here in the Valley - Construction companies are going bankrupt... at least those that don't employ illegal workers paid under the table.

    These construction companies are paying illegals under the table and lowering their prices, so low that other companies can't compete. Guess who loses their jobs? The hard working legal construction workers.
     
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  9. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #29
    And that's why America is the largest food manufacturer in the world -- cheap immigrant labor.

    I wonder how many people in Africa will starve if we close our Southern border?
     
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  10. Blitz

    Blitz Well-Known Member

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    #30
    You didn't read my post?

    I said "all minimum wage jobs which noone aspires to"

    'Construction worker' = bricklayer/cement mixer. Do you really aspire to those 'professions'?

    When people say 'omg, they're stealing my job', maybe if they suddenly walk into an office and become a CEO of a multinational ;) but I wouldn't consider a bricklayer one of my jobs to be frank. Therefore, you're wrong or have a really bad careers advisor.
     
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    Blitz Well-Known Member

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    #31
    McDonalds, Burger King, KFC, Pizza Hut, Krispy Kremes, ect ect... there's literally hundreds of US fast food/fatty foods brands so I'm not surpised you're the biggest manufacturer, the stereotypical American is portrayed as being obese these days. I don't see Africans eating Big Macs though.
     
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  12. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #32
    Yes I read your post where you stated this
    As I said before - YOU'RE WRONG. Construction workers aren't paid minimum wage and there are plenty of legal americans who want that job.

    Some of them, with no experience or college required, paid $20 or so an hour. That might not be much to you, or a job YOU want, but there are a lot of people who think $20/hour is a lot.
     
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  13. Will.Spencer

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    #33
    Blitz:

    Those are food retailers, not food manufacturers.
     
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    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #34
    Then let them compete for it like honest men, instead of lobbying the government to fix the game for them.
     
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    Blitz Well-Known Member

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    #35
    The fact of the matter is:

    Unskilled labour work = Low pay
    Low pay = Undesirable
     
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  16. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #36
    why should legal hard working citizens have to compete for jobs with illegals? Why should their pay rates be DECREASING with competition why inflation grows?
     
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    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #37
    The fact of the matter is , you don't know what you're talking about. I live in Phoenix, Arizona.. 90 minutes from the border of Mexico. You live in the UK. Enough said. :rolleyes:


    How many illegals do you have standing around your gas station?
    How many illegals do you have doing yard work for your neighbors or apt complex?
    How many illegals do you have driving 1970's chevy's 30 mph on the freeway?
    How many illegals do you have crowding your hospitals and emergency rooms?
    How many illegals kids are crowding your schools?

    http://phoenix.craigslist.org/trd/145855754.html $20/hour unskilled job
    http://phoenix.craigslist.org/trd/146820642.html $20/hour unskilled job
     
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  18. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #38
    Let's review:

    1. Increased supply causes decreased cost.
    2. Decreased supply causes increased cost.
    3. Increased demand causes increased cost.
    4. Decreased demand causes decreased cost.

    Props to Adam Smith! :D
     
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  19. latehorn

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    #39
    UK and Canada is dying out. Pretty soon, half of your people will be retired and when they dies, what will come next? Probably mostly immigrants and muslms.

    And you missed my point..

    ALL TIME LOW BIRTH RATE!!
     
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    debunked Prominent Member

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    #40
    I think the issue some are arguing is different than what others are arguing.

    Do you want to stop ILLEGAL immigration?

    Do you want to stop LEGAL immigration?

    I am for LEGAL immigration, that is one of those things that makes this country great, but we need to know who is coming in and I feel they should learn english (but I am sure that is a racist, bigoted, ignorant thing to expect from someone moving to the USA)

    Then the LEGAL immigrant can compete for the jobs just like anyone else, but have a REAL SS# to provide the employer, etc... I am also for WORK visas that makes sense.

    Where does everyone stand on this?
     
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