Iraqi Leaders Call For US Time Table

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  1. Edz

    Edz Peon

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    #21
    Will the non-shia people be treated as an outcast then? Is there no intervention from U.S. side to make rules and laws equal for everyone in iraq?
    At this point i find it hard to believe but as hrblcantra said i do not agree with this... concretely that is,because i don't have a clear understanding of the new iraqi constitution. I only find it hard to believe that people will be treated as an outcast only because of belonging to another tribe.

    I also support the troops because it was a neccesary thing to do for the worlds economic stability.

    The only thing that disturbs me is that bush clown saying they needed to invade iraq to free the country of a dictator, pleaaaaaaase:p
     
    Edz, Nov 22, 2005 IP
  2. GRIM

    GRIM Prominent Member

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    #22
    Intervention? But the US already 'freed' them, and it's a 'democracy' so it doesn't matter to the other sides remember. They have no choice but to vote
     
    GRIM, Nov 22, 2005 IP
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    #23
    I suggest to split the country in 3 parts.
     
    latehorn, Nov 22, 2005 IP
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    #24
    That probally would be the best short term solution, the Kurds want that to happen but doesn't look like it's going to happen. Once we leave that could though be the ending result.
     
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  5. Edz

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    #25
    Intervention meaning that the U.S. would help in making a constitution that would fit best for everyone.

    If it's a democracy why is it that you agree to some point that the new laws are designed for the shia majority? therefor not being a real democracy...
     
    Edz, Nov 22, 2005 IP
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    #26
    So the US decides what is 'best' for people of Iraq.

    A true democracy is nothing but laws being put into place for the majority :confused:
     
    GRIM, Nov 22, 2005 IP
  7. Edz

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    #27
    No not entirely offcourse but they surely they are giving their assistance.

    True, but is the minority being affected so much to resort to bombings?
     
    Edz, Nov 22, 2005 IP
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    #28
    Yes they have which is putting in what the US wants not the Iraqi people.

    Again do you not have any knowledge of the difference and history of these groups? We are not talking about white europeans versus minorities in the US or any other country, it is very fractured and divided.
     
    GRIM, Nov 22, 2005 IP
  9. Edz

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    #29
    But the majority of the iraqi people voted...yes:confused:

    Is it that much divided so that the minority feels that much threatend they are going to be treated such in-humanly under the new constitution?
     
    Edz, Nov 22, 2005 IP
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    #30
    Hmm not liking to look at the whole picture do you? Voting can mean many things including voting simply to get rid of the occupying forces, not simple black and white.

    Again you are holding to the constitution to mean something that it does not mean as of yet in Iraq. Yes it is that divided.
     
    GRIM, Nov 22, 2005 IP
  11. Edz

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    #31
    Agreed, if the new constitution is that bad and providing that much of injustice towards the minority then it's again another prove of the U.S. being so unprofessional when they started this war and making a new iraq.

    Still i find it hard to believe that this constitution is that poorly designed.
     
    Edz, Nov 22, 2005 IP
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    #32
    You keep referring back to the constitution, if the fractures that occur happen which many experts believe will it will not have anything to do with the constitution. No matter how well it was written the parties are to different and have to much bad blood to fully get along, civil war might be the next step in Iraq. We will have to wait and see.
     
    GRIM, Nov 22, 2005 IP
  13. Edz

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    #33
    Yes, you got a good point there. And then more useless killing is going to happen...when will it ever end:confused:
     
    Edz, Nov 22, 2005 IP
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    #34
    Not that I agree with Saddam, but it almost puts into perspective as to why he was the butcherer he was, especially if the Shi'a and Kurds decide to rebel after the occupation leaves and a civil war ensues.
     
    GRIM, Nov 22, 2005 IP
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    #35
    To some extend it does.
     
    Edz, Nov 22, 2005 IP
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    #36
    An interesting point that was missed when discussing the withdrawal:

    Reaching out to the Sunni Arab community, Iraqi leaders called for a timetable for the withdrawal of U.S.-led forces and said Iraq's opposition had a "legitimate right" of resistance.

    The communique -- finalized by Shiite, Kurdish and Sunni leaders Monday -- condemned terrorism but was a clear acknowledgment of the Sunni position that insurgents should not be labeled as terrorists if their operations do not target innocent civilians or institutions designed to provide for the welfare of Iraqi citizens.
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    In Egypt, the final communique's attempt to define terrorism omitted any reference to attacks against U.S. or Iraqi forces. Delegates from across the political and religious spectrum said the omission was intentional. They spoke anonymously, saying they feared retribution.

    Iraqi leaders call on U.S. to set withdrawal schedule

    It seems to me that not even the Iraq's government think of Iraq as free country and considers Iraq an occupied territory. :rolleyes:
     
    gworld, Nov 22, 2005 IP
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