Iraq War Yes or No

No difference? So you are saying we swept in and plundered Iraq like Iraq did to Kuwait? Perhaps you need to go revisit your history books.

 

same feeling but think world is so better without Sadam.

seems you are right

 

Then why Americans are in Iraq even your people are against Iraq war. I am no fan of Sadam and I hate what he did to Kuwait. There would be lot better solutions rather than imposing war on any country right? or is it always war?

 

We could have prayed to God.

 

please get your facts straight:
1) i never said i supported the invasion of kuwait you said this...
2) the USA gave saddam chemical weapons and support its obviously you who is a fan of chemical warfare everybody and his gold fish know who gave saddam WMD
3) you ignored the point i made about small small kuwait fucking over iraq= its super obvious they knew you would intervene...

oh please how is oil tied to US national security? how come no other countries in the world dont feel "nationally insecure" LOL...when you say "national security" you mean your corporations best financial interest in securing an unfair advantage for 5% of the worlds population by manipulating politics and economy? you mean screwing free trade and raping world resources with your financial terrorism, and if this does not work plain military terror? LOL "national security" it gets funnier every time i read it...

i like how you admit absolutely no wrong doing even though you are what is wrong with the world today: you are the #1 promoter of war and terror and all in the name of $$$ ooppps i meant to say "national security" LOL...

and you wonder why you are the most hated country in the world LOL...

 

War is a waste of resources and life. I'm not saying it's wrong. Just need to put it in the right time and the right place. Civilians specially children are affected. Pity on them.

 

Of course you did. you did it again in this post, basically implying Kuwait "had it coming". Just like the Jews and Gypsies "had it coming", right? Funny to watch a supporter of genocide claim to be a man of peace.

A two second web search yielded this as the first link. Why is it you refuse to do any of your own research(or any research at all for that matter). FYI, the link is actually opposed to Carter Doctrine, but there is plenty of other material out there that substantiates it. Before you ask, no I wont look it up for you. Do your own research.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Oil_watch/Carter_Doctrine_Global_Oil.html

They do. Maybe you should study up a bit before you open your yap. You think countries like China and Russia wouldn't react with military force if their oil supply was threatened? Grow up. Putin is already fucking over Europe by cornering and controlling the gas market. The man has the power to make countries into 3rd world ghettos like your country, and stir up civil unrest at his whim based on that one monopoly.

I'm not sure you know how to read, so claiming it gets funnier with every read seems false at face value. Perhaps you can spend some time explaining to me how a monopoly is good for free trade. Perhaps you can explain to me how monopoly busting via Saudi Arabia is screwing over free trade? I'd take the time to explain it to you but frankly a fifth grader has a better grasp of these very basic financial concepts.

Tell me again about the evil immigrants, wont you? Tell me of the glory of your land before they descended on your nation like a filthy plague, one in need of extermination? I think the world needs to look at your shining example as one of inspiration. A role model really. All hail Milosevic.

 

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wrong...yawn...you get so boring when you run out of argument and try to presume what i said so that it somehow fits your arguments..."milosevic supporter" "supporter of genocide" yawn yawn...same old obamanation when you run out of arguments you side track and "assume" what i said when its clear to a 5 year old what i posted...

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its THEIR GAS...like its the ARABS OIL...if they dont want to sell it to the USA then thats EXACTLY like the USA imposing economic sanctions on other countries...well its not the USA does much much more harm because its TOTAL sanctions...this is just a case of people not wanting to sell THEIR STUFF to YOU...its THEIR OIL AND THEIR GAS not bill clintons not george bushes and not yours...how hard is this to understand?

do just like every other country in the world: make do with what you have dont murder over it

monopoly? its THEIR OIL...IN THEIR LAND (as in: IT BELONGS TO THEM AND NOT YOU)...get it?...

free trade? free trade is when they can sell it to whom ever they wish...unfree trade is when the USA installs puppet governments in saudi and invades iraq and all oil in the world is sold for printed petro dollars...free trade LOOOL you really have no shame LOL

define monopoly: 5% of the worlds population hogging the world oil

get it?

there you go again typical obamanation: when your brain is not capable of intelligent debate you go off topic and make shit up...YAWN you are boring...stay on topic maybe? of course you cant LOL

 

Did you just make the case for the US imposing sanctions? Funny stuff.

How does one argue with a guy who thinks Monopolies are a good thing, or that partnering with a member of the monopoly is not the same as "taking" something that isn't yours? Explains how you can justify criticizing US Immigration policy while you condone rape and genocide against your own "immigrant problem". A shining example.

 

monopoly is when 5% of the worlds population (USA) controls most of the worlds oil resources by means of war or economic extortion or installing your own puppet government like the house of saud...note that you are just 5% of the world that means the other 95% of the world dont do what you do...how about spending/consuming less oil?

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/ene_oil_con-energy-oil-consumption

the statistics above pretty much speak for themselves...again you are just 5% of the world...seems to me like you plain dont give a shit as long as your oil is cheap and you control most of it the other 95% of the world can go screw itself?

 

So now consumption is "control"? The US and Saudi produce much less than 50% of the worlds oil, so maybe you need to read a book and figure out what the word monopoly means.

As far as your statistics about our consumption, who cares? With 5% of the worlds population we, also own the lions share of the world's wealth. I suppose someone like you could easily spin that into being a "Monopoly" that needs fixing, but that kind of BS only flies with the uneducated. Here are some more stats on oil consumption, from your own site:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/ene_oil_con_percap-energy-oil-consumption-per-capita

Notice how the Virgin Islands and Gibraltar are through the roof on consumption, at more than 3x the Antilles, which is more than double all the rest? Notice how United States comes in 23rd on that list?

Here are some more statistics for your undernourished mind:
http://www.eia.doe.gov/country/index.cfm

Note the statistic box in the upper right hand corner. You'll find that the US produces nearly half of the oil it consumes. Perhaps you are against that as well? Maybe we should produce it and give it away. It wouldn't be surprising advice from a guy who advocates open borders in the same breath he defends genocide as a valid solution to his own immigration problems. We would likely produce ALL the oil we use if people like you in our country were not protesting drilling.

I can appreciate you have a hard on for the US since Clinton joined the bandwagon in stopping genocide in your country. If I were a Milosovich loyalist, I'd probably be bitter too. I also want to say thank you for providing a link to a statistic in your post, even if you misunderstood/twisted it's meaning. It was a refreshing change. It is also much more in line with the rhetoric common amongst those who look back fondly at the U.S.S.R.. The argument that those who have or use any asset are "monopolizing" it is not a new ploy. Its just a tired one and factually incorrect. Perhaps if you brushed up on reading some of the communist/socialist talking points sites, you could come up to speed on how this type of failing philosophy is being sold today. Maybe watch an Obama speech or two.

 

LOL that you mention the US virgin islands as the #1 consumer per capita kinda like shooting yourself in the foot eh? notice the US in their name "US virgin islands"

gibralta? is a 20.000 citizen island heavily involved in shipping whats your point?

your per capita statistics mean nothing your list is made up of tiny tiny countries heavily involved in petroleum processing and guess what they use as fuel for processing and shipping it worldwide? OIL! what kind of point did you try to make?

now heres a better statistic for you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:World_Oil_Reserves_by_Region.PNG

US controlled middle east 56% and north america 16% this is 72% of the worlds oil controlled by 5% of the population...i smell monopoly...how about you?...

as for the USA controlling most of the world wealth good for you...only its only a small % of your countrymen who actually hold this wealth the rest are just tax cattle...

the rest of your usual off topic "milosevic supporter" "genocide in your country" attempts at trolling really fall on deaf ears...if you think i give a shit about an american bigot and his uneducated arrogant opinion about other non americans then you are truly flattering yourself...if you think you cause any emotion in me with this then LOL...i know you cant stay on topic and that you need to resort to this in EVERY post LOL and it only amuses me to see you squirm...man i swear if you did not have legs you would leave a sleazy trail on the floor like a slug LOL...try to stay on topic eh?

 

Never heard of the British Virgin Islands I see. Where were you educated again?

They are consuming an obscenely disproportionate amount of oil in relation to the size of their population. Must be a monopoly, according to you.

I smell moron. Here are some equally important statistics:

http://www.dr-hardcore.com/updates.asp?Criteria=2

Notice how Madison Scott has D size breats, but they are fake. As a matter of fact, most of the top porn stars seem to have fake breasts. Its not until we get down to the Russian porn stars that we see some real breasts in the B and C size range. Obviously the Russian controlled breast implant industry is monopolizing the porn industry.

Seriously though, your graph highlights well how OPEC and the middle east do have a monopoly on most of the worlds known oil reserves. Your mental train runs off the tracks when you talk about the "US controlled middle east". The US has strong diplomatic ties with 3 of the 12 member states in Opec. Of those 3, only Kuwait feels any real love for us. The other 9 range from jealous to extreme dislike when thinking of the US. I appologize for not using smaller words in this explanation, but I kept it as concise as I could.

wrong again. The wealthiest man on the planet is actually a Mexican. America does well on all these scales because of the wealth of our middle class. If all of America's wealth was held by only a few, we would definitely not hold the number one spot. Our wealth distribution has traditionally followed an 80/20 spread(the bottom 80% controls as much wealth as the top 20%), though I beleive that spread is a bit tighter these days. Unlike you, I don't begrudge the top 20%, the guy in Mexico, or anyone else who has money their money. You are better off selling class warfare to your own people. It seems to sell well there.

Temper temper. I can look at the LOL count in your response and immediately see your anger level.

 

Is there ever a time war is ok? Seriously, humans are fucking stupid and brilliant at the same time. Motherfuckers need to stop killing each other and stop fighting. It's all a bunch of hillbilly bullshit to fight in order to resolve a problem.

 

my dad is an australian soldier and is currently in afghanstan he was also in iraq a few years ago

has lost quite a few good friends becuase of this bloody war

we need soldiers to protect our vast resources in Australia please send my dad home safe

have looked over a few of these forums

one saying all australians are racists well some of my best friends are aboriginal,asian,indian,moari etc

The thread I was reading from the topic title and the post itself sounded quite racists against australia if you think our countries so bad don't visit simple solution.

not create stupid threads from media beat ups and war zones you have no real idea about...

 

In My point of view Iraq war is a big mistake by USA

 

no war please .................. because death to comen man

 

Do you know why we start wars? To prevent wars! As long as there are different races, religions or hate, greed or positions of power there will always be war.

 

It might have been bad for the UK and Labor party but it was certainly an excellent war for Tony Blair. He knew that the intelligence was fabricated but he supported USA because he knew it makes him a super millionaire. Blair estimated conservatively to have over 100,000,000 pounds in wealth, how does a public servant even a prime minister makes that kind of money? Blair decided it was worth the blood of thousands of British soldiers so that he can stay in $20,000 a night hotel rooms.

 

I would say NO, it was not a good decision of war against Iraq.
The primary reasons I sees behind this is to have OIL fields of Iraq, nothing more than that.