Iraq Study Group : the war is essentially already lost

Conspiracy videos are a dime a dozen. So are those who fall for them. It's a profitable business model.

 

GTech, many thruth seekers release their material for free.

As for the "fall for them", many are backed up with facts, but as you dismiss them as Conspiracy Theorists you'll never get to see that side of it.

 

The very idea someone has to use "truth" in their title is suspicious unto itself. Many of these videos have been debunked here on DP by myself and others. They serve one purpose...to make the author financially stable and there are plenty of gullible people willing to help their financial cause.

As I recall, you perpetuated a lie from one here and even after I proved it was a lie (familiar pattern) you would not retract your statement. Honestly, if facts don't matter to you and you continue to demonstrate that you have no integrity time and again, what's the point? Truth is not what you seek.

 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061208/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_insurgency_saudi

sweet our allies are funding our .... wait which insurgents are on our side the sunni or the shiite?

 

So too is Google... Or so I hear..

 

And you think this wouldn't turn regional if there was a immediate pull-out?

Baker of the ISG considered that option, and they came to a general concesus that it could very well turn into regional conflicts.

 

it could but who knows, what are we going to stay forever now, sign up rick, go get your nuts shot off making sure the arabs don't kill each other, if its so important

bush and his followers totally destablized the middle east, another reason why they will be clobbered again next election, his followers that is

there might not being any repubs left in office after this next election

 

That's a false chose, and the ISG addressed this.

You're too nonchalant about this issue. You know if it does expand beyond a point, we'll be back there regardless. You're letting your idealism blind you.

As you've noted before, a big percentage of Democrats supported the cause as well. They may have voiced against it when they felt it was political right, but they gave Bush his authority. I don't think they'll ever be held-up to the same standard you hold for Bush & co.

I knew what they did the moment they put the vote through, and huge percentage can't blame that on gullibility...they knew what they were doing.

Fantasy, chief.

 

How does one destablize something that was not stable to begin with? Sheesh.. what are they putting in drugs these days?

 

is the middle east more stable now or less?

would you rather have lived in bagdad under saddam or now?

 

i think they should be removed also, but who is worse the person who starts the war or people who are too chicken shit to stop him.

 

If you include the overall history of Saddam, I'd say now. If you were to be inclusive to pre-war vs now....I said pre-war. That's dealing with degrees of stability....not actually stability perse.

Again that depend on the history, locality and time.

Durning his whole history...hell no! You'd see see REAL war, genocide, and starvation on a much bigger scale.

Now if you were just born around this war, you would have seen a bit (or a lot) of starvation and violence...depending on your locality.

 

They won't, though...that's my point. In fact I'll wager one of them is nominated by the Democratic party.

As far as whose worse, I'd say the traitor is worse. Remember the movie Braveheart, where the scottish king chose to betray william. Without the Scottish king chosing sides against his 'ally' william, the defeated battle would have been otherwise.

The same with this. If these so-called good guys in the dem party sanctioned this, they're worse than the actual 'enemy'. Understand?

I wouldn't have...but then again I'm a much more principled/practical person on the 'right'.

 

It's pretty difficult for people to actually stop crazy bastards like Bush and Cheney from ruining the world, a change in 2008 is what is required but sadly it will not make much difference, the hidden hand applys to whoever is in charge, the people that control these freaks hold absolutely no allegiance to political standings, race, creed or colour.

We're on a collision course with disaster buddy, no doubt about that.

 

hopefully not

because some chicken shit democrats gave in to the whole nationalism, facism, etc after 911 and gave bush the authority to use the military,doesn't actually make them "traitors", does it?

Does that make bush the "enemy"?

How many repubs voted against the war , one?

 

It's funny that they call themselfs truth seekers and promote themselfs as representing the people, when in reality they are seeking beyond truth to pick a delution that they call truth and then make some videos and sell them on the web like Alex Jones.

Just take a look at prisonplanet.tv.. it's filled with ads and materials for sale.

It's went so far with the money making scheme that even his tinfoil comrades are starting to wake up.

 

It's easy for you to bash Jones isn't it mate?

What about the truth seekers that are releasing videos and doing speeches etc. for no money but because they believe that we are all being lied to by the idiots in charge of us?

More and more people are starting to speak out because there is so much bullshit coming from people in charge of our lives, people like you and GTech and Mia don't see that because you have your "Bill O'Reilly Blinkers" on.

 

I would have to say more stable. Hezbullya has been pushed near oblivion. The taliban ding dongs are all but gone. Two new democracies have been created, Palestine is near its end. Israel is safer than it has ever been. And we are in a posistion now where we have a foothold to begin the process of removing the heart of islamic terror, piece by piece.

I don't recall every wanting to live in Bagdad. I suppose life in Germany was much better under Hilter (using hindsight) than post war Germany.

This type of thinking is no different than the "enablers" in abusive relationships. I can imagine that having a secure income and roof over your head, all the while dealing with an abusive husband and or wife might seem much better than the aftermath of walking away from that situation. I guess that is why many choose not to, that is until it is too late.

Those that do have a hard road ahead, so it's easy (again, using hindsight) to perceive the previous situation as better, or the lessor of two evils.

There are those of us though intelligent enough to see the light at the end of the tunnel. The end justfiys the means. Those who do not see that are either ignorant or too scared to take a chance at a better life. I pity people like that.

 

10:1 odds. Does that sound fair?

Any man that doesn't resolve to defend reason is a coward and/or traitor, imo. Especially when the chose presents itself.