Iran the extremist state: could we have prevented this?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by pingpong123, Nov 21, 2006.

  1. #1
    i say yes but u all need to go back to how this all started. Iran was a peaceful nation in the late forties-fifties. Now this is extremely important and it will open alot of peoples eyes as to whats going on today. The democratically elected president of iran back then was the peace loving mohammad mossadegh. He enjoyed the backing of the masses of moderate(back then) iranian people. Standard oil wanted 51% controlling interest of the iranian oil fields. Mossadegh said no way. Standard oil was cia backed and the vice president of standard oil was none other than kermit roosavelt . When mossadegh said no it brought about his downfall. This is when our government slapped sanctions on him and it eventually lead to a cia backed overthrow of his government by the minority none democratically elected shah of iran. The shah of iran had a very brutal secret police force called the savaak which violently terrorized any iranian citizen that opposed the shah.
    Who helped to train this secret police???????? General norman Schwarzkopf senior the father of the gulf war general. The iranian people got so sick of having a puppet for a leader that they turned to extremist islam nd have been there ever since. I think we could have prevented all this. Dont you guys?
    comments?
     
    pingpong123, Nov 21, 2006 IP
  2. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #2
    Who are "we?" Can we first establish what you are a part of, that is bigger than yourself?

    Also, do you have sources to verify your claims?
     
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    Shannon 2 Peon

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    gworld Prominent Member

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    You are almost right. Mossadegh was not the president, he was the prime minister. The Shah was not over thrown by some popular revolution, he was changed for an Islamic government by USA since he was dying of cancer and his ability to fight a possible guerrilla warfare was questionable. The idea was to replace him with an Islamic government that will have popular support and stop the raise of Marxist groups and in the same time this Islamic country could be part of an Islamic alliance that would block the soviet during the cold war and would be part of American strategy at that time which was war by proxy.
     
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    pingpong123 Well-Known Member

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    Gworld interesting, could be true but who brought the shah into power? Isnt it a shame that our government stands for the interest of big oil instead of freedom and democracy?
     
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    I definately think that something is going to kick off between the UN and Iran very soon, that's all I know. It's unbelievable how there is suddenly all of these problems in one go with the Middle East and the West, I think the last thing needed now is another 'threat' from Iran for the West to involve itself in given Iraq and Afghanistan are still far from 'sorted'.
     
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    AGS Notable Member

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    It is a shame, and Americans are losing more freedom and democracy all the time.

    Of course, the sheeple always fail to see it. :rolleyes:
     
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    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    Yeah, those damn Canadians are always worried about oil and could care less about freedom and democracy :D
     
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    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    Corrected that for ya, big guy ;)
     
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    AGS Notable Member

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    LOL GTech, you always have a habit of quoting me then completely changing it making it not what I quoted. :confused:

    Of course the UK is bad, we have a idiot in charge here too.

    We have millions of sheeple here too and we are not losing our rights as fast as US citizens are, but we will catch up with you soon, Blair guarentees it. :D
     
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    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    Your avatar conclusively proves you are way smarter than all those "lowly" sheeple :D
     
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    demosfen Peon

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    Why is Iran an extremist state? Are they threatening to invade somebody?
     
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    Not at all. Iran is keeping itself to itself. :)

    But the worlds policeman needs Iran because of its strategic position in the quest for oil & oil pipelines and Iran will be the next country that the worlds policeman will ruin after it's already ruined Iraq and Afghanistan.
     
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    pingpong123 Well-Known Member

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    AGS what about irans puppets Hezbolla? They are one of teh reasons lebanon is destabalizing
     
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    Hezbolla and Lebanon is of no interest to the plan mate, it is too far west.

    Think Iran mate, that's where the next action will be, and when it does the worlds troubles will get a lot lot worse. It'll make Iraq look like a picnic with the 3 bears.
     
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    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #16
    I must admit, you really do have the kindest things to say about rogue terrorist nations that call for the total destruction of other countries. And the worst things to say about those that try to stop such. It's as if dyslexia extends past reading, and opens up to the entire world around you.
     
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    Are they harbouring Osama?
     
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