Iran Or Isreal? Who Will Be The Victory?

Hamas goal is to wipe out the illegal regieme, what is so bad with that? Though i don't agree with them targetting civillians of course.

I have no problem with Hezbollah as they do not target civillians initially - they only did in the 2006 when Nasrallah said to Israel "If you attack civillian homes, we will also fire to civillian homes in response", but i don't know why you even brought them up since they are not Palestinian.

You seem to be using Hamas and Hezbollah as an excuse for Israel to exist, Zionists started in the late 19th century, long before Hamas and Hezbollah existed, and were expelling people at gunpoint and terrorizing the palestinian people.

and how hypocritical of you, to say this, but we never hear a sound from you about Israel injustice and their crimes against humanity - or mabye you do not consider Muslims and Arabs a part of humanity and this is why you do not condemn it.

Why? It is true, how can there be peace with a regieme that does not want peace? The Zionist regieme is content with agression and using it's army to instill terror into the Palestinians, it does this while at the same time crys for peace, it is rediculous to think the Palestinians should accept peace with people that ethnically cleansed them.

 

if you read related UN resolutions, they have some conditions to consider Israel as a legal state, so when I say Israel is a fake country, or illegal state, its not based on personal feelings, as you might be doing with most of your posts, but on facts, and international laws, which in one example, Israel as a recognized state by the international community should allow the people whom they expelled to return to their homes, and properties, instead Israel stole much more since that resolution, which makes it illegal,

so if we to apply UN resolutions, we should not be picky, right? I agree with you, lets implement UN resolutions, all of them, and I then, won't have any problem with any, not to implement one, then do not implement all that follow, this makes it illegal again, in case you think else.

P.S. here you are on DP forum, and talking to adults, and respected people, not at your house talking to your family members, so try not to forget where you are and try to refrain from using bad words

 

It seems to me both sides want war. I pretty much resigned myself a long time ago to the fact that there will always be war there. I don't even know why I'm posting here. Good luck with you and your brothers' jihad.

 

You know all the crimes that Israel has done and introduced, but yet you can not bring it from yourself to disapprove of the illegal regieme, you seem to think these people, who have been through hell a million times, should shake hands and continue living with these people that butchered their families, homes and dignity. Why?

As we said, Jews and Muslims lived fine for centurys, cooperated together in many different areas, the only problems started with Zionism. This is very clear, so why do you not achknowledge it?

Nobody will rest untill there is justice for the opressed.

 

What bad words? (I think the worst I said in this thread was to piss off - and that after having you consistently support terrorism and say how you want to see Israel wiped off the map.)

Frankly, it feels like I am talking to a bunch people with teenage mentality and understanding of the issues at best. Anyway, as I have said many times, I post here to inform the casual readers of the thread and not to let the lies go without response. But it is getting old and so long as the leaders of my country and most of the respected countries in the world share my view, it hardly matters what you and some other random Israel haters think and say on some forum does it?

When you keep calling Israel an illegal state it just shows how ignorant you are of International law and the UN.


P.S. I am not sure who you are calling "respected people" but I have no respect for people who support murdering terrorists like Hamas and Hezbollah

 

If you would like to respond to what you call lies, we are waiting for your proof that Israel is not a terrorist state, after it expelled people from their homes, ethnically cleansed and destroyed a whole region, how can one defend such a state, i don't know. But i await your proof because you have brought no facts to the table so far, just moaning gibberish.

Now, i do not want to treat you like a 6 year old and teach you how to respond to posts, you should know by now, if there is a lie, show it and refute it with facts.

 

I am sure the casual readers, would like to know where are the lies? and what proof do you have to refute them? not just say this is lie, and stop.

so here is a tip for you, in a very simple way you can understand (well, hopefully)

find a lie, in my posts, copy and paste it in a new post of yours, say this is a lie, but do not stop here, mention why its a lie, and post your proof, I hope this will help.

 

Plenty of facts have been presented. I am not too concerned that you ignore everything but that which supports your position. You and I both know there is nothing that I, or anyone else, could post that would change your mind or your feelings about Jews and Israel.

It seems like you have the same couple people buying into your position as you did when the thread started. Nobody is buying the crap you are putting forth except those who always did.

 

So, you have not refuted anything, it is just intellectual dishonesty from you.

Imad has to teach you like a 6 year old, how to engage in a debate but you can not respond, simply because you can not refute anything, but rather than say "Ok, i realise the Zionist regieme is terrorism" you let your bigotry kick in and hold your opinion, even though we have presented firm facts to you.

Also, i would like to ask, where did you get "Jews" from? Jews have not been mentioned at all, the state of Israel has been mentioned, but not Jews, this is just another strawman and intellectual dishonesty from you.

 

I am not sure whether you understand what is the meaning of a focused discussion, you are acting in a strange way, try to calm down if you feel angry, and try to focus a little,

you also do not know my feelings, and for sure, we are not here to change each other feelings, at least not me, we are here to have a discussion, and you are making it hard to have a discussion, you are welcome of course to post, and refute whatever you think is not true, or a lie, but of course, not in that way you use, the same way you used when you were crying anti-semitic everywhere on this forum, till people really got annoyed from you for this,

so now you changed "anti-semitic", with "lies", if you expect people to take your seriously, then it will be of much logic to show where are the lies, and to refute them, because, I do not see where they are.

 

Israel is internationally recognized as a state by the UN (the recognized world body) and at least 150 other states. The oft repeated claim that it is somehow illegal is nothing more than your opinion. When you pretend it has the force of International law or the imprimatur UN it becomes a lie.

Have a nice night boys. I'll check back later and see if anything is worthy of a reply.

 

so is this the lie? Israel is illegal?

well, the lie, to correct you, is to say Israel is legal, for the reasons you used yourself,

you legalize Israel by UN, so a country can be legal, if UN said so, and it is illegal if UN said so, this is very fine with me, I will ignore the so many other facts about ethnic cleansing, killing, massacres, terrorism .. etc and will look only on UN, Israel’s admittance into the UN was conditional: it must recognize UN Resolution 194:

so, in my opinion too, if Israel and its supporters would like to say Israel is legal because UN recognized it, then it would be of much logic for Israel to recognize all UN resolutions, but the fact is they did not recognize more than 60 UN resolutions related to the conflict, because if they do not recognize all these UN resolutions, it means they do not recognize UN,

so how can they use an organization, they do not recognize by not recognizing its resolutions, to recognize themselves?

 

^^^

United Nations (UN) Resolution 194 states,

“The refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbors should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return.”

^
Do you see the contradiction?

 

you can easily search them on your border when they get in, why blame it on the whole nation?

Theres a russian saying : "theres no bad nation, there can be bad people".

p.s: such a tiny territory makes it a BIG mess for ages. I think there will never be a peace, sad, but true.

 

Are any of interested to know why the "right of return" is not up for political discussion? The fact that allowing Arabs to "return" would cause a serious demographical problem.

There are currently 6.8 million Israeli citizens of which over 1.4 are Arabs. The arabs even have seats in the Parliament.

But with the average Arab having 6 kids and the average Jewish family having 3 kids, it's only a matter of time before the "Jewish State" seizes to exist simply because the Arab's will outgrow us thus having more electorial power.

Israel is a Jewish State. That is the reason that Israel refuses to negotiate on the "right of return" simply because it brings us back to square one. With the current growth rate, in less than 20 years we face becoming a minority in our own country.

Every country has their own respective immigration laws. Israel will continue to toughen the laws to prevent arab citizenship.

The Vatican is an official UN recognized catholic state inside of Italy. Israel is a Jewish state in the middle east. There is no difference between the Pope's state and the state of Israel. Fact is, Arab countries are referred to as Islamic Republics. For example, Libya's official name is "The Islamic Republic of Libya", and Egypts official UN chartered name is "Islamic Republic of Egypt".

The simple fact is that no arab can accept that the Jew's have their own "republic". The Jew's (according to history) have been on the land of Israel long before any Arab showed up, and long before Mohammed showed up in the world.

Remember, Mohammed showed up about 600 years after Jesus Christ. Til then, the Arab's we're un-united nomads who traveled the desert. I mean most of the civilizations (Jews, Romans, Greeks, etc) had united civilizations - but the local Arabs of the land had no real united front.

Mohammed preached his message and instilled "Jihad" (i.e. Holywar) in the hearts of the mob and eventually set out on "holy wars" claiming that he had a message from God. He united the mob. I mean afterall, the Jews had a high temple and a bible, and Jesus cames from the Jews thus bringing in the Christians - and yet the Arabs we're stuck without any religion or representation. Religion is what unites people. Afterall, nothing united the arabs prior to Mohammed showing up.

Mohammed came with his beliefs - and made it clear that anybody who doesnt accept his message shall die. Pretty scary huh! Imagine Mohammed showing up tomorrow afternoon and making these same "warning - or else..." religious demands.

Im sure the 72 virgins in heaven must have been very tempting to the younger guys.

I mean after all, 72 virgins for each martyr makes the Muslim God a big pimp and heaven a huge orgy. At least call it what it is...

I wonder if the Muslim God asks each of those innocent virgins that he created if they are willing to give up their holy grail virginity to a mass murdering terrorist who killed woman and children. Well, thank God the great one creates Arab women for Arab men. I mean God forbid he take a Jewish or Christian women and force her to lose her virginity to a mass murderer.

I wonder how the parents of such a child would feel knowing their innocent daughter is getting camel ridden by a mass murderer. I mean that must be very devastating for any parent.

Is this the God that we all pray to? Fact is, I piss people off cause I tell things as they are.

I mean lets take it another full step ahead. According to http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/childbrides.htm , Mohammed was 49 years old when he married a 6 year old little girl name Aisha. This is a historical fact accepted by all Muslims. According to official historians, the only question remains is did he have sex with the girl at age 6 or at age 9.

Unfortunately - Mohammed wasn't born in our day and age cause I'd be the first person to kick the shit out of him and throw his ass in jail for child molestation. Sorry, this isnt an attack on religion, its a fucking attack on all predators who attack children.

Could the God that we all pray to agree to marrying off a 6 year old? Can we as a society agree to allowing a 50 year old man to have sex with a 9 year old? Let me guess, if I claim Im the messenger of God, can I have marry and have sex with a 9 year old? Let me guess, 1000 years ago it was okay to fuck a child? Seriously, call it like it is. No grown man can love a 9 year old child. It's not love, it's fucking sick lust.

Sorry, where I come from, its called RAPE. I dont give a damn if it happened 100 years ago or 1000 years ago.

I don't care what God he prays to, marrying a 6 year old is fucking crazy, and having sex with a 9 year old girl is seriously sick. Only predators fuck around with 9 year olds. I dare any Muslim to tell me differently. There is no way in hell that somebody can debate on behalf of Mohammed regarding his sick desire for young kids.

I don't profess to be very knowledgeable on Islam or the Koran. I've studied only a little of it - and to be quite honest prefer not to know any more than I already do know. I know that Mohammed was married no less than 11 times to young girls. Nobody in the world can justify sex with a child.

I guess I refuse to learn the Koran simply because I find it ridiculously stupid to believe that the compassionate God that we all pray to would send us a message via a child molester. Sorry, I think we've got different gods. Either that, or God doesnt like me cause I refuse to marry a 6 year old and curse anybody who does.

Btw, according to the official Koran, Mohammed's adopted son "Zayed" was married to a girl named "Zainab". One day the magnificent part time prophet and part time predator saw his daughter-in-law naked, and immediately got a boner and ejaculated. According to the Koran, first Mohammed blamed the girl for his ejaculation. Later, Mohammed forced his adopted son to divorce the woman so that he could marry her. Oops...Another one bites the desert dust!

Anyway, you can always Google up Mohammed and child molestation and you will get alot of websites. These are not "child molestation fables", rather these are official accounts of history that even the Muslims accept.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...er&btnG=Google+Search&aq=1&oq=mohammed+child+

Anyway, guess I'd prefer to keep our Jewish people on the other side of the fence. God forbid there be a confusion between Arab and Jew and God take 72 of our virgins. If this wasnt really a sad reality, it probably would be very comical.

 

Great post...
Keep them coming

Will someone take the challenge?

 

i just found this and it might help to shed some light on how US govt thinks.
http://www.danielpipes.org/article/5373

 

Yeah, I read it here.
http://www.meforum.org/article/pipes/5373
Pipes is entitled to his opinion. I think it sheds light on pipes opinion, not on how the US government thinks.

 

According to the Holy Bible Israel will win the war, but the world will be destroyed!

 

you seem to miss what bush has said.
i have a solution to this and almost every other issue involving the israaeli palestanian conflict, that would be acceptable to a great majority of israelis. 65% or better and palestanians. i have talked about this in a thread about a year ago.
i have never asked either side to do anything that is not in their national interest. That is the only way for peace. My plan is a very good one, and i think is doable.
i challenge any one to a debate me on that.