Iran must go!

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by turhapuro, May 7, 2007.

  1. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #181
    Bombs are smuggled by organized religions. Religion is a far more powerful motivator than greed.

    It's more than possible, it's easy.

    All they need to do is buy a small yacht. Do you think that the Iranians can afford one? :rolleyes:

    There are plenty of ports that are either unchecked, or are checked by people who want to kill the infidels.

    I guess you haven't been reading your Koran lately?

    The oceans are damned big. If we knew what we were looking for, where and when, we would have a very small chance of finding it.

    The oceans are covered with recreational shipping, the vast majority of which goes unexamined.
     
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  2. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #182
    You know this because:

    1) Your vast experience in Navy and cost guard
    2) Your vast experience from military and intelligence services
    3) You are a moron and make up fantasy stories as you go along

    since the alternative 1 and 2 are obviously not true, I have to chose alternative 3 that you are a moron. :rolleyes: :D
     
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  3. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #183
    I take it from the absolute lack of content in your response that you have nothing to say?

    ferret, what about you? Are you going to fall into gworld's usual "tactic" of spewing mindless insults or are you going to follow a more honest path?
     
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  4. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #184
    What should I say about stupid fantasies that you post? :rolleyes:

    The only thing that anybody can say is the fact that your stupid theories are the result of playing too much xbox games and watching 24 hours on TV. Just grow up, you are not fooling anybody to believe that you are a man by all your crazy talk about war and killing.

    It is obvious that you are little willy, THE SISSY and that is what you always will be. :D
     
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  5. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #185
    He doesn't have the ability. He gets very angry if terrorists or anyone that wants to destroy the US gets shown in a bad light.

    I do get tired of reading about his fantasies with little boys. Hopefully he doesn't take it out on the women he has to pay for. Then again, as abusive as he is on the forum, it's no wonder he has to pay for sex. He's probably abusive in real life too.
     
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  6. d16man

    d16man Well-Known Member

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    #186
    That you love them, especially when they are about little boys...and gtech's balls....sorry gtech.

    What should we say about your stupid fantasies? That you are a sick pedophile...
     
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  7. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #187

    Still Su*king up to Gtech and little willy? :rolleyes:
    You should go to Republican party convention, you will find a lot of people who really "appreciate" you. :D

    I am still waiting for your answer about Arabs in USA. If Arabs immigration to Europe is making it to Eurabia as you mention all the time, what do you call all the Arabs in USA, are they making USA to USrabia? :rolleyes:
     
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  8. ferret77

    ferret77 Heretic

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    #188
    you don't think that we are watching Iran via statellite and some sort suspscious bomb type container comes wheeling out and is put on a boat we won't know about it?

    I mean we spend an awful lot on defense, you don't think there have been extremly smart well paid people coming up with ways to deal with this scenario already
     
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  9. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #189
    Hell, don't feel bad! I've been waiting for over a year for you to explain why you want the US to pull out of Iraq so terrorists can take over. Apparently it's the most difficult question you've ever been presented.

    That doesn't change the fact that you get very angry when your buds are presented in a bad way. And no, you may not sniff my balls ;)
     
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  10. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #190
    Iran is a big place, nuclear bombs are little things. It would be pathetically easy for them to hide something from us. Ever if they did not try at all to hide it from us, it would be a miracle if we accidentally noticed it.

    Do you have any idea of the manpower required to analyze that many satellite photos?

    I am sure that this scenario has been discussed. This may be why smart people are worrying about Iran while you and gworld are not.
     
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  11. turhapuro

    turhapuro Peon

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    #191
    Oh, get your facts right? Last time i checked they had around 50, SU-37
    fighters. Those can drop any US fighter, it's the latest fighter in Russian
    arsenal. Oh, and don't even start the debate about F-22 vs SU-37 or
    stealth, since even many US pilots say that its amazing plane after they
    got to test it and stealth planes are not invisible to russian radar tech.
    This is what worries me, why does Russia supply Iran with their latest
    weaponry? They have never done this before. Yes, they have sold guns
    and weapon tech to many countries, but never before have they sold
    their latest technology. Now iran has Russian air defence systems, russian
    fighter planes and much more russian technoloy. Even their nuclear power
    program is russian made. This is why Iran is so arogant against USA. Iran
    knows it can inflict heavy damage on US army.

    If war happens Russian intervention is not a day dream, its reality. Most of
    you don't know what kind of person Putin is. We in Finland do know, he is
    very calculative bastard, highly intelligent and cold person that have the
    nuts to declare a war with US. Why would they commit a suicide? Because
    Iran is right next to Russia, would they really want US to control it? They
    have alot of business in Iran, if US attacks they lose immensive ammounts
    of money. You can see Iran & Russia as allies.

    Russia has a shitload of allies and europe will not assist US against war with
    russia, because it would be a suicide. In few minutes Russia would drop nukes
    all around europe, usa and many other countries if it felt that mother russia
    would be in danger. Don't know about England, but i'm seriously scared about
    this. If usa attacks Iran, it might affect Finland too, since we are neighbours
    of Russia. You can't win a war against russia, they have so many nuclear
    missiles in so many locations. Usa might be abel to control Russia and take
    the lands, but when that happens thousands of nuclear missiles have hit
    around the world, you can't call that a victory when most of your population
    is dead.

    Now about Finland, we have old weapon tech, no professional army. We
    would lose any war against any modern nation in a heart beat. When there
    was a winter war, the whole world was amazed how we could keep russians
    out of our country, it sure was amazing. We killed 12 russians against one
    finnish soldier. The only reason behind this was that weapon tech didnt play
    so big role at that time in warfare, we simply were better fighters than
    russian soldiers and we were in defence, but in modern day it does not
    matter.

    Check this out
    http://www.presidentti.fi/netcomm/news/ShowArticle.asp?intNWSAID=36114&galleryid=8

    oh my, thats our president. Do you think she can handle a war with other
    countries? Shes a lady, i think not.

    So, people in USA should really wake up and realize that the stakes with iran
    are ultra high. Iran must go, its a horrible country and has the potential to
    be superpower in middle east. I don't want Iran to get nuclear weapons and
    i want Iran out! The only problem is how could this be done?
     
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  12. turhapuro

    turhapuro Peon

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    #192
    It seems to me that GWorld needs to wake up! Iran has the latest weapon
    tech from Russia, maybe USA army propaganda has darken your vision, but
    USA is not bulletproof near iran. Now if you are about to post that the
    Russian weapon tech is crap etc, you might want to research it a bit before
    you post on it. At the time Russian radar tech is superior to USA, their
    fighters are about the same (only much more cost effective). They also
    shine in many other parts of military technology. USA is not the only super
    power. USA has more tech than Russia, BUT they are not that far away.

    USA citizens need to wake up, GODDAMN Iran is much more dangerous than
    you can think. They have much more military power than you are aware of.
    I bet that Russians are laughing their ass off when USA attacks, since there
    will be heavy casualties on both sides, and i bet that russia will wait for the
    perfect time to declare a war with US, if it is going to happen.

    Oh, almost forgot they have lot of ICBMs, this is well know fact. It's sad
    that you have no idea what is going on or what weapons the enemy has,
    you are totally fucking clueless about what is going on.
     
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  13. ferret77

    ferret77 Heretic

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    #193
    we could destroy Iran militarily in a matter of hours with nukes

    and destroy them in a matter of days with conventional weapons

    a war between Iran and the US is like a small child vs grown man
     
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  14. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #194
    I've got my popcorn and my Red Vines. This is going to be a fun discussion to watch! :)
     
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    d16man Well-Known Member

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    #195
    I never can figure out what side turha is on....but hey, its one more person calling ferret and gworld idiots...i love it!
     
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  16. turhapuro

    turhapuro Peon

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    #196
    Bush will not use other nukes than Bunker buster nukes, those will only be
    useful to take down underground bunkers, etc... This will not affect large
    area. Now when bush does this international community will be very angry,
    and it will have affect on USA.

    So why not use normal nukes to take em out? The fact is that Bush would
    need to use hundreds of nukes to do it and the enviromental affects would
    affect the whole middle east and rest of the world. He knows that if he
    would do it, he would be facing war from every corner of the earth.

    Also, USA citizens would not allow the heavy use of nuclear weapons. So
    if we see nuclear bombs, they are only going to be bunker busters.
    I rest my case...
     
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  17. Arnie

    Arnie Well-Known Member

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    #197
    The Various Phases of al-Qa`ida's Global War and Path to the Caliphate
    Iran with a leading role

    1. Ongoing analysis and examination of al-Qa`ida's vast published literature, abundant manuals and endless statements imply the following eight successive phases in the network's plan for a long-term battle against the United States and its allies in the Middle East and Muslim world:

    2. Awakening the Masses: In this phase the network aims to increase the consciousness of the global Muslim community by "exposing" the alleged inherent American and western hostility to Islamic peoples. The network argues this will lead to increased hatred of western influences in Muslim lands and swell the ranks of al-Qa`ida and its affiliates with new volunteers and sympathizers. As important, in this phase "apostate" governments will reveal their alleged "collaborative" nature when they are forced to side publicly with their western "masters" in the aftermath of al-Qa`ida attacks. Furthermore, in this phase other political trends in the Middle East (nationalists, leftists, liberals...etc) will be shown as weak and indecisive, thereby enhancing the image of the Salafis as the only entity in the Arab and Muslim world that is willing and capable to fight on behalf of the Muslim masses and take the fight to the west and to the corrupt "apostate" regimes.

    3. "Harb Istinzaf -- A long term war of attrition": In this phase the network aims to "bleed the enemy" until it crumbles. In short, their goal is to make the United States "bleed" economically, militarily, and politically until it loses the desire and the means to fight and withdraws militarily, politically and economically from the Middle East and other Muslim lands.

    4. Severing Western/Muslim alliances: In this phase, an American withdrawal from the Middle East will lead to the severing of American alliances with secular and moderates regimes (Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, etc). This will entail the end of American military and economic support to Arab and Muslim regimes. Absent American military and economic aid, these regimes will be greatly weakened and will eventually lose their grip on their populations and will lack the ability to resist the global Jihadi movement.

    5. "Tasfiyat Hisabat -- Settling Scores": Once Arab and Muslim regimes are weakened, al-Qa`ida and its affiliates aim to overthrow them, and "settle scores" by eliminating the leaders and their security forces.

    6. "Idarat al-Tawahush -- Management of Barbarism": Prolific al-Qa`ida thinker Abu Bakr Naji considers this phase the most dangerous. In this phase the network and its sympathizers will aim to administer and manage Arab and Muslim lands in the intermediary period immediately following the collapse of apostate regimes. At this fragile period rampant chaos will ensue in Muslim lands due to lawlessness and lack of authority.]

    7. Establishing Shari`a Law: In this phase the network aims to establish pious Shari`a governments that will rule individual Arab and Muslim states by Islamic law for a temporary period, while awaiting the return of the Muslim caliphate.

    8. Removal of All Western Influences from the Region: This phase entails the full liberation of all Muslim lands including Palestine [i.e. the destruction of Israel] and Kashmir, and the retrieval of lands once ruled by Muslims, including al-Andalus [Andalusia, Spain].

    9. Reestablishment of the Caliphate: The final phase will ensue once Shari`a rule has been established in all individual Arab and Muslim states, and following the full liberation and retrieval of all historic Muslim lands. At this juncture the global Jihadi network and its sympathizers intend to reestablish the historic Caliphate which ruled the Muslim community as a single entity for many centuries. The Caliphate is viewed by many Islamists as the golden age of Islamic power.
     
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    turhapuro Peon

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    #198
    USA needs to play this scenario wisely. They should provocate Iran as much
    as possible. They need to get Iran to attack USA somehow. This way they
    have the greenlight from other countries. It would make Russians mad cause
    they would have hard time to declare any war, cause the international
    opinion would be on USA side. I hope USA will make Iran safe country again
    and win the war fast, i just hope they don't provocate other countries too
    much.
     
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    Toopac Peon

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    #199
    I don't think being a lady is the issue, she just looks soft:p


    Hrm possibly but i don't think any country wants a nuclear war, just think of the implications if the US did nuke Iran.

    I doubt that very much, it may not take long but it won't be over in days. The Iranians have good air defences so attacking by air won't be too easy, land invasion can be costly.

    True US does have better technology but the war would be quite a war to win.

    I think many of you underestimate Iran & will have a shock when the actual war takes place (it's only a matter of time) & if your one who tends to bitch about Iraq i believe you'll be bitching a lot more about Iran sooner or later.
     
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  20. Will.Spencer

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    #200
    Iran couldn't manage to do well against Saddam Hussein -- in many years of trying. They ended up doing mass human-wave attacks.

    The U.S., on the other hand, had very little trouble with Saddam Hussein's army, either time.

    The U.S. is really good at fighting regular armies. We're not so good at combating asymmetric warfare.

    I believe that we could defeat Iran's armed forces in less than 90 days, using only conventional forces.

    But then what the hell would we do?
     
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