Iran kills another of it's own nuclear scientists

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  1. warloky

    warloky Peon

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    #141
    In 1939 Adolf Hitler assured British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain that he would not wage war against Britain. Chamberlain said "I believe it's peace in our time." Then Hitler started World War II. Then on December 7th 1941 Japanese diplomats in Washington were reassuring Franklin D. Roosevelt that Japan wanted lasting peace with the US while in fact, their aircraft carriers were steaming towards Pearl Harbor to bomb it. The rest is history. When politicians say there's no war, there is war. Iranians killing themselves to start a war? There's a possibility but not enough probability, I suppose..
     
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  2. Bushranger

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    #142
    A Sunday Times report revealed Monday that Mossad agents were behind last week’s assassination of an Iranian nuclear scientist.

    Looks like Iran can take a free punch, with your blessing?

    added:
    A senior Israeli military official says a nuclear Iran could make it tougher for Israel to act against enemies closer to home.

    So it seems Israel is giving Teheran some advice on avoiding annihilation...and

    Paladin Energy Ltd., an Australian uranium producer operating in Africa, surged the most in more than three months in Sydney after reporting a 24 percent gain in output and predicting an increase in prices for the nuclear fuel.

    that is lucky (coincidence ?) we just happen to have some extra uranium available...

    no, no, we are not the chosen ones...we're not pushing for armageddon...we'll all be safer now...so take your pill...swallow...there, that feels nice eh?

    I'll just turn the light off now...sweet dreams little one.
     
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  3. Install

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    #143
    I have read an article that tells about this very point and one more thing that war is impossible because of the money. US doesnt have enough to start this local war.
     
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  4. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #144
    Well that is no fun. Israel has a history of neither confirming or denying any covert operations, so an "unofficial" Israeli source taking credit for the whole operation is highly irregular. Still, Haaretz is a legitimate news operation so one has to assume the confirmation is legit, which spares Iran the need to produce evidence. I wonder if they feel stupid for having blamed the US and Britain. Probably not.

    @Rebecca: Barbie is the devil. She must die!
     
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  5. Mikaël2

    Mikaël2 Member

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    #145
    Israel does all the provocation, it has bombed Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, even tried to bomb Pakistan in the past, get your fact rights. Who can blame Iran for even wanting to get nukes after seeing so many counties raped by the US and its pathetic allies.

    Its fair enough for a nation to boycott another, but to actively pressurize other nations to do the same is an act of war.

    They might finance/arm Hezbollah (not Hamas), but that is so they can defend their land Lebanon, you probably don't even know Israel occupied Lebanon too.

    I'm sorry I thought you was normal. I rest my case.
     
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  6. Bushranger

    Bushranger Notable Member

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    #146
    Yes, because having rockets fired at you every day isn't provocation? Admit that the ME has sour grapes for losing the land where Israel settled in WW2 and it has never accepted the loss (probably because it's scared to allow its people to be educated). With proper education of its people the ME dictators may lose their power.

    You're kidding? That tiny little country 'pressuring' the whole western world. Do you really expect anyone to believe that?

    Aah, at least you admit they arm Hezbollah. I did not know Israel occupied Lebanon but you wrote it in past tense so it's yesterday's news I guess. Today's a whole new day to begin a new you.

    Umm normal? How boring would that be? What actually is 'normal'?

    Case? Are you moving or you simply realise I'm not falling for the BS?
     
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  7. Mikaël2

    Mikaël2 Member

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    #147
    The Rockets are fired from Gaza, its controlled by Hamas who have no connection with Iran, they have different religion, race and ideology.

    Arabs are not like the Aboriginals in Australia or the Native Indians in America, they will fight till the end to keep what they have and get every inch of land that was taken by foreigners back, even though the land Israel has is so unbelievably small.

    Democracy is Israel's biggest nightmare. The US and Israel encouraged democracy in Gaza some years ago, the people elected Hamas. Look what's happening to Egypt, they have opened the border to Gaza and are now reconsidering the peace agreement. Maybe once the Syrians overthrow Assad they will take the Golan Heights back.

    Ghadaffi the dictator is dead, but 10,000 rockets from Libya have been smuggled to Gaza.

    The US is doing it on behalf of Israel who has total control of America's foreign policy.

    They do arm them, so what, Israel is funded and armed by the US, who cares. Does Hezbollah fire rockets at Israel at the moment? Not as far as I know.

    Israeli drones still go into Lebanon and violate its airspace. So if Israel wants Iran to stop funding and arming Hezbollah they have to leave Lebanon alone don't you think?

    Normal as in sane. Why did you randomly say that I'm God? How is it even relevant to the subject at hand?
     
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  8. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #148
    So if Israel leaves Lebanon alone, you are saying the attacks would stop? Doesn't the first part of your post say that the Arabs are going to get back the "unbelieveably small" piece of real estate known as Israel, no matter what?

    Which is it. Israel leaves lebanon alone, and the arabs leave israel alone, or is it that Israel will be taken back by the Arabs no matter what?
     
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  9. Mikaël2

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    #149
    Hezbollah does not attack these days, but Israel continues to violate Lebanese airspace.

    This would be the Palestinians and Syrians, who's lands are still being occupied by Israel.

    Israel is not interested in a 2 state solution so the only solution is to take back what was taken. A two state solution is on the table right now, they don't want it.
     
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  10. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #150
    Did you not understand the question?
    Maybe I need to use smaller words. I'll try again.

    In your opinion, are there any conditions under which the Arab neighbors of Israel would not continuously try and take 100% of the land currently occupied by Israel?


    You've actually already answered, but a simple Yes or No would make it nice and clear for everyone.
     
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    #151
    Because Israel knows THEY are God so will logically think for themselves and act accordingly whereas the whole Middle East is indoctrinated into believing their magical sky-daddy will sort out their problems for them, in the 'next' life. Much of the violence is created by people wanting their 72 virgins, believing they're doing God's work and gaining a ticket into heaven. By understanding who or what God really is they would instead act on their current concerns rather than look for a cosmic afterlife. Be friendly with your neighbours because THIS is it. Why blow it?

    The allies are taking a proactive approach, trying to fix the world for here and now, but ME is not.
     
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  12. Mikaël2

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    #152
    Just like I thought, you are completely insane, no point in discussing anything with you.

    100% includes West Bank & Golan Heights. No, they will never will stop trying to take back what's theirs.
     
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  13. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #153
    Perhaps you can explain then, what motivation does Israel have to negotiate with their Arab neighbors?
     
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    #154
    As I said earlier...

    Make your points, put your fingers in your ear and go la la la, fine. Just don't expect me to shut up when I see your BS as I will respond as I see fit.
     
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  15. Mikaël2

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    #155
    I didn't tell you to shut up, feel free to make a fool out of yourself by saying stupid things like "Israel is God", but don't expect me to take you serious, I think you are a lunatic and need help.

    Or what motivation do the Arabs have to negotiate with Israel who is not interested to go back to its 1967 borders? Negotiations will not go anywhere, they are useless. Full scale war is the solution.
     
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    #156
    I think you are a lunatic and beyond help. You're asking to be wiped off the planet it seems. It's not as if you stand a slight chance if the allies decide you are correct.

    You may be right though, maybe that is the solution...all for a little piece of land...when all you had to do was learn to share.
     
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    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #157
    According to you, the 1967 borders would not be enough for the Arabs. They want 100% of the land currently called Israel. But you are right in that Israel does not desire to give up the spoils of the 1967 war, when all their neighbors thought they could crush Israel and take the land, but instead, ended up losing some of their own land.

    Considering that line of thinking is common among Israel's Arab neighbors(and it is), wouldn't it be smart of Israel to prevent those neighbors from ever becoming too powerful economically or militarily. Or perhaps smarter still to just bomb them into submission immediately? Not sure how waiting for the people who've sworn to wipe you from the map, to get strong enough to make good on their promise makes any sense at all. Taking that logic one step further, perhaps you can explain to me why anyone should feel pity for the Palestinians, the Syrians, or the Iranians if Israel does exactly that? Seems like the logical thing for them to do.
     
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  18. ipostmedia

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    #158
    What's your solution? I don't see any viable solution at this point. Israel/USA eager to start the war and even the peace solutions that they put on the table is to have regime change in Iran which I don't think is possible. Iran want to so-called "wipe off israel off the map" which I think most people who are pro-America/pro-Israel truly believe that's going to happen (I don't think it's possible but you guys entitled to your opinions). I don't entirely agree with Mikael but what other choice do we have?
     
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  19. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #159
    According to Mikael, it will only take one or two nukes. A no brainer!

    No other choice but to wipe Israel from the map? Sounds like you are really limiting your options there.
     
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    ipostmedia Active Member

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    No other choice than have a war, not wipe Israel. Please read my comment properly next time. I don't like when you spin my words.

    What's your solution then?
     
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