Iran has every right to nuclear weapons

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by TG2006, Sep 27, 2009.

  1. tesla

    tesla Notable Member

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    #101
    Once again, you're being an idealist, this is what got the U.S. into the Vietnam War, this idea that "we can't let them become communist." First off, it isn't our right to tell anyone what they can and cannot do. Would you like someone to come to your house and tell you what food you can and cannot eat? Would you like someone telling you when you can and cannot watch TV?

    If I sent a big 350 pound NFL football player to your house to intimidate you and your family into eating when he wants you to eat, or watching TV when he wants you to watch it, it would not be long before you became violent against this guy, regardless of his size. You know why? Because you are a free, sovereign human being who has the right to decide what you want to do and when. No one has the right to tell you what to do, and in my example, if a 350 pound football player tried to, I would perfectly understand your decision to become violent with him and get him out of your house and away from your family.

    Iran is a SOVEREIGN nation, which means, they make their own laws. I don't agree with Iran's rules, and much of Islam is general, but I also don't agree with America policing the world and telling it what to do. The U.S. has already used nukes in war, why doesn't the world tell the U.S. to get rid of theirs? After all, the U.S. has used them, so this means they can't be trusted and may use them in the future, right? Most of you would agree that the U.S. "had" to use nukes against Japan, but is it true? Does it matter? The Japanese probably see it differently.

    What you don't realize is that trying to stop Iran from getting nukes is going to lead to what we are trying to prevent, which is a war. But in truth we are simply trying to keep Iran weak, because as I said earlier, nations with nukes pick on and bully those nations that don't have them. North Korea already has them and look how the world treats them. The Nuclear Club always wants to make sure the rest of the world doesn't get nukes so that they can stay in their places, that is the silver lining and this is what this whole thing is about.

    I never said or implied that by allowing more nukes the world would become safe. The world is no safer today than it ever has been. Humans by nature are aggressive and greedy. War will never end, and trying to prevent a country from having weapons will actually lead to war. As long as the U.S. and Israel have nukes who cares if the Iranians get them? Let the Iranians launch, and watch what happens. Only an insane clown would launch nukes when in the end they to are assured destruction.

    If the Iranian get nukes, and attack Israel, Israel will fire back and both countries will cease to exist. The entire world would blame Iran, and rightly so. In the end, no one wins, so why use the nukes? Nukes are a great deterrent, and I believe this should be their main use. I don't think either the Iranians or Israelis really want a nuclear war, no more than the U.S. or Soviet Union did, because both sides in the end know that their mutual destruction is assured.
     
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  2. Reseg

    Reseg Peon

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    #102
    I present to you, 1 of many insane clowns in this world: Mahmoud Ahmadi Nejad

    The same guy that openly expresses pure hate of Israel (just to show a reason for intent)

    The same guy who said on US soil last year that Iran has no homosexuals (just to show you how out of touch with reality he is).

    The same guy that follows a religion and culture that recognizes martyrs (just in case he needs an excuse and reward)

    It's not like having guns in your house for protection. You hear an intruder, you get your gun, if you both have guns, you both have a chance. With nukes, it takes 1 person out of their mind to send off the nukes. Once they're in the air, it's likely over for that target. All they can do is fire back and kill them as well.

    I totally understand your position on it and it makes sense, however I don't agree with it. I believe the law of odds says there ARE wackos out there, and the more people with their hand son nukes, the higher the chance that one of those people will be one of those wackos. I'm not defending any country that has them already and I fully understand wanting to have them for leverage and counter-protection. If a country sends them my way, they'll have ours coming toward them as well. This may keep them from wanting to launch them in the first place. This is a sane thought cycle, I would never depend on Ahmadi Nejad a sane thought cycle. Openly shooting protesters in their streets shows very little understand or care for the use of force as to why, when, and what for.
     
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  3. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #103
    Do you know anything about USSR, except what you have watched in Rambo movies? Take your own advice and read some history books. USSR was not a communist country, it was a state capitalism. ;)
     
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  4. mrdesigner77@yahoo.com

    mrdesigner77@yahoo.com Well-Known Member

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    #104

    please answer this question
    do you accept that USA get rid of its nuclear weapons or not ??
    because you know that US the only people who used them so i think any body donot live in the US have the right to fear from US nuc bombs in any day the US government think that it will be better if they whipped his country out of the Map
     
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  5. ChaosTrivia

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    #105
    I agree with TG2006 and Tesla on Iran.

    I think that every person who believes in ghosts has every right to nuclear weapons.

    And what about a country run by these guys? a "SOVERIGN nation"? of course they have every right to nuclear weapons!

    I also think that this guy has every right to nuclear weapons.

    If you want to help Achmedinejad implement the coming of the "new era"? of course he has every right to nuclear weapons.

    Only once all of the above will have nuclear weapons, the world will be a place worth living in.

    Buttoms up!


    In the AP video of Achmedinejad above, you can see the president of Iran, one of the world's poorest incompetent cruelest inhumane dictatorships speaking of the outcome of the "elections" in Iran as having "huge historical importance to mankind". In parallel, he and his gang are trying to acquire nuclear weapons. If this doesn't give you the creeps or at least make you a bit worried - switching on even a small alarm light, then there is something wrong with you. very wrong. Maybe, you just can't understand that the earth is not full with Australians who just happen to speak a different language. The vast majority of the people of the free world do understand this, I hope that you will join before its too late.

    tesla: you don't understand that if the Iranis will get a nuclear weapon, the weapon will not be in the hands of the IRANIS, but in the hands of the small gang who does not get elected and who rule it with an iron fist? their sanity IS questionable!! and if not because the free world is having a problem with Irani weapons... then at least because they put a death penalty on an Iranian who does not marry with a Muslim, and the punishment code of Iran says. You starting to understand?
     
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  6. Reseg

    Reseg Peon

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    #106
    The US used them because the US was attacked outright by another country on our soil. Not making excuses, just stating a fact. If you're trying to use that as an example of why people should be scared of the US having nukes, it's weak. There are many arguments out there in fact that say the US using nukes actually saved lives in this case as opposed to a long drawn out war. Regardless, what's done it done and the US would be ruined if they used them to attack a country. There would be civil war.

    But yes, I support the whole world getting rid of nukes, including the US. I know it won't happen though. I don't think that's an excuse to make them more available to all countries as I said above.
     
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  7. prophet666

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    #107
    no reason why they should be banned from having nuclear weapons,sooner or later with advancement in technolgy everyone will have them,something has to worked out quick by everyone to prevent misuse,however there should be no class moniters.
     
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    #108
    No reason? o really? hear Iran Monkey something speeches...
     
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  9. bigcat1967

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    #109
    Here is why the Iranians (not the people - but the government) want nukes. To wipe Israel off the globe. The Iranian government has stated this - it's a fact.

    But do I want the US to intervene? No.
    Because I know that Israel will not allow this to happen. Does anyone remember 1982??? Iran was on the same path of building nukes and Israel sent its military jets out and bombed Iranian "to be" nuke plants.
    Israel will do it again. Especially with a "hawkish" PM they have in there now.
     
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    #110
    really :eek: what about those who have already wiped off cities using nukes ?
     
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    bigcat1967 Active Member

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    #111
    Are you talking about WWII???

    Geez - as I recall - the Japanese started the war - the US ended it. If the U.S. DIDN'T nuke the two Japanese cities - then, by all means, there would've been 1,000,000 soldier's lives lost. Remember, the Japanese fought to the death. The US would have gone into Japan and estimates had it at 1,000,000 of U.S. soldier's lives, and possibly 20,000,000 million Japanese lives. In the end - millions of lives were saved on both sides - even though hundreds of thousands died in the two atomic blasts in 1945.

    The US firebombed NAZI cities as well in Germany - thousands of NAZI civilians lost their lives (1944 - Dresden, Germany). But it was in an attempt to get Hitler to surrender.

    One final thought - there were no such thing as "Surgical Strikes" back then - technology wasn't advanced enough. The only way to stop a country was to drop a bomb on a city. It worked for the US and peace was declared.

    "War is Hell" - General Sherman - U.S. Army - Civil War (1861-1865)
     
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    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    #112
    If you attack the United States then you damn well better be prepared to suffer the consequences.

    God you Islamic terrorist supporters are pathetic.
     
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    #113
    Geez - isreal has also started a war against Palestinians and it is going on for a good 50 years now .. :rolleyes:
     
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  14. bigcat1967

    bigcat1967 Active Member

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    #114
    And GEEZ - I thought we were talking about the history of nukes. So you want to change the subject? OK.

    Who are the people walking into malls and streets of Israel to blow themselves up along w/ the Jews? Palestinians.
    No wonder Israel wants to push them to the sea.

    What a coward way to fight - a Palestinian walks in a Jewish neighborhood and kills innocent children w/ a bomb.
    Whatever dude.
     
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  15. imad

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    #115
    GEEZ.. it gets boring, eh?

    not that I m with suicide bombings, I am against them, but I can understand what caused them, first suicide bombing in occupied Palestine happened in 1994, 46 years after occupying 1948 territories, 27 years after occupying the rest of Palestine, and what kind of occupation?

    in it's beginning it killed women and children, on purpose, Albert Einstein described it then as:

    and right before the first suicide bombing, in 1994, the Saint (according to Israelis) Baruch Goldstein opened fire on people praying in mosque killing 29 and injuring so many,

    and do you think it stopped there, nope, in 2006 the illegal state of Israel continued it's crimes, in Lebanon, and in 2009 in Gaza, killing mostly civilians, and using excuses as usual to cover their crimes, with the help of US.
     
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    #116
    Geez ... I agree .. . while the brave, nuke cities.. sitting in b52's thousands of mile above
     
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    earlpearl Well-Known Member

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    #117
    Iran: you want the right to nukes? Okay, those actions have precipitated this reaction by the US to build these Iranian Nuke Busters .

    I hope the US builds a lot. Hopefully they'll have some excess ones and sell a couple to Israel. Maybe they'll build some kiddy nuke busters and just give em to Israel for testing. Israel can try em out in Southern Lebanaon --sort of a gift for the Hezbollah.

    I suspect a lot of Lebanese in Northern Lebanon wouldn't have a huge problem with that.
     
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    #118
    To be honest no country should have 1. It can kill 1000's.

    Which idiot invented it in the first place. tut.

    New law order: All countries get rid of their nukes.

    Simple as and make the world safer place to live in and most wars are because of this.

    Just my input.
     
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    #119
    Remember the days just US had nuclear weapon technology. They used it against Japan.
    In the case just a few country have nuclear weapon, they would threat the whole world with their weapons. It makes perfect sense why all countries want to have it. Without weapons u r simply smashed by other countries.
    There are 2 choices:
    1.Nobody has any nuclear power.
    2.Everybody has it.
     
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    #120
    One guy says B-52s can fly at an altitude thousands of miles above the earth.

    Another thinks Einstein, Oppenheimer, Fermi (et al) were "idiots"... though it appears he also thinks most wars are caused by arguments about who can own nukes (apparently there were darn few wars before 1945).

    Congrats fellas... we're fortunate to have such well informed members in our midst.
     
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