Interview with Matt Cutts. Dupl content on your own site.

Discussion in 'Google' started by Barre Tire, Dec 9, 2005.

  1. #1
    "Just listened to the Matt Cutts radio interview. Maybe I'm not understanding this right, but he indicated that if you have multiple pages with identical phrases of text on the same site, that would be viewed as duplicate content. " From another forum..

    There is some interesting information on this radio interview.. Hope it helps some people.

    http://www.webmasterworld.com/r.cgi...sterradio.fm/episodes/audio/2005/MW120205.mp3

    Also someone posted that the test dc has spread to the following I have not verified..

    64.233.161.105
    64.233.171.99
    64.233.171.104
    64.233.171.105
    64.233.171.107
    64.233.171.147
    64.233.179.99
    64.233.179.104
    64.233.179.106
    64.233.179.107
    64.233.185.99
    64.233.185.104
    216.239.39.98
    216.239.39.99
    216.239.39.104
    216.239.39.105
    216.239.39.106
    216.239.39.107
     
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  2. Sorror

    Sorror Active Member

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    #2
    How about site archives? E.g. news - some of them are on the news page and news archive at the same time. There is much more examples, it doesn't make sense for me...
     
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  3. stereolab

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    #3
    it's been my experience that they end up as 'supplimental results'. basically worthless.
     
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  4. Drasolko

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    #4
    I can confirm changes to those datacenters. What exactly are they testing? A new algo update?
     
    Drasolko, Dec 9, 2005 IP
  5. Sorror

    Sorror Active Member

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    No way.

    By the way, in my opinion, they shouldn't make tests on public DC's, it's too mistaken... Or maybe that's the point.
     
    Sorror, Dec 9, 2005 IP
  6. Drasolko

    Drasolko Peon

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    I'm not sure what you mean by that. ^ But I saw this same test earlier today on their main DC (when I went to google.com). To me it seems like this is more than just a test.
     
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  7. onedodd

    onedodd Well-Known Member

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    #7
    These "test" results were definitely on the main Google search today, yesterday, and the day before as I have many many terms I am ranking back in my old spots for - or at least close to my old pre jagger spots.
    But they are only there briefly and then they are gone. I would LOVE to think this was something that would turn into firm results because i would be back to my good pre jagger results instead of my awful post jaggers.
    Don't quite understand what they are but I know I certainly saw my site in spots they haven't had since Oct.
     
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  8. longcall911

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    #8
    I see test DC SERPs on the 64s above but not on the 216s.

    /*tom*/
     
    longcall911, Dec 9, 2005 IP
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    Must say, from a purely personal perspective, I'd like to see these results propogate.
     
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  10. Barre Tire

    Barre Tire Peon

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    I am hoping they will as well. It seems they would otherwise what is the sense of the test DC.
     
    Barre Tire, Dec 9, 2005 IP
  11. grandmac

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    That doesn't make sense to me to have multiple pages with identical phrases on them be counted as duplicate content. In an e-commerce web site you may need to say the same thing on all order pages as people do not generally go read info on another page. For instance, I have added content to all candy bouquet pages on my site to state that ice needs to be added to ship to warm temperature areas etc. that is exactly the same on each page and it has cut down on people not ordering ice if they need it.
    I have to make my pages for what works for customers and not Google, which is what Google says they want you to do, but it doesn't seem to work for these new updates.
    Carol
     
    grandmac, Dec 11, 2005 IP
  12. Cyclops

    Cyclops sensei

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    #12
    After reading his blog and comments from around the Forums I have come to the conclusion that Matt Cutts is full of &$it.
    He's full of inconsistencies.....I bet he has a good laugh each night before he goes to sleep about all the drama he is creating.

    “ You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time.”
     
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  13. Barre Tire

    Barre Tire Peon

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    #13
    Alot of the info on his blog is old news. However I do payn ettention to it in case there is something that I should know....
     
    Barre Tire, Dec 12, 2005 IP
  14. Big Richard

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    Yes I tend to agree - there are a lot of legitimate reasons for having duplicate content on sites - especially when you get into ecommerce.
     
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  15. liquidboy

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    #15
    wow, the company i work for at the moment have a 1000+ pages websolution that works on rebranding the same package for thousands of financial companies..

    One of there solutions is a hosted type of setup where upwards of 20 sites resides in the same domain.. Man they must have heaps of duplicated content rebranded on the same domain (just different logins with different themes)..

    Wonder how they get around googles rules? Ill have to find out..
     
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  16. Jim4767

    Jim4767 Prominent Member

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    I have some pages on the website that are in HTML and also in PDF format (to retain the nicer style and formatting). Would these be considered duplicate content? Or do the search engines recognize that PDFs may be there simply to offer a more printer-friendly page?
     
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  17. Jan

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    So do I, although the HTMLs are mostly just snippets from the PDFs, and I feel safer having some small changes in the text. To what degree this is considered duplicate content I don't know, but I doubt it. :eek:
     
    Jan, Dec 12, 2005 IP
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    #18
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Jim4767
    "I have some pages on the website that are in HTML and also in PDF format (to retain the nicer style and formatting). Would these be considered duplicate content? Or do the search engines recognize that PDFs may be there simply to offer a more printer-friendly page?"


    Yes, yes, yes, Pastor Jim!
    Perfectly stated and asked.
    I have the same question.
    I keep wondering if I should drop the pdf's. The content is IDENTICAL.
     
    Surf_Dude, Dec 12, 2005 IP
  19. Smyrl

    Smyrl Tomato Republic Staff

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    If there is a purpose for having the pdf's and html, why not just put pdfs in separate directory and disallow all robots in your robots.txt file?

    Shannon
     
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  20. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    This is not encouraging in the least bit. I have a site where I sell software based on the state (USA). Each state has it's own version, but it's the same product with minor differences. I have a page for each state and much of the copy is the same, except the state and where there may be slight requirement differences.

    But then, while I enjoy page 1 results for the primary index and virtually every state in Yahoo and MSN, I've never had anything short of page 5 ranking in google anyway.

    I suppose next, if you drink diet coke on Thursdays, you'll trigger some sort of google filter as well. So many rules with google, it's a wonder anything comes up at all.
     
    GTech, Dec 12, 2005 IP