Internal Links and PR

Discussion in 'Link Development' started by BobL, Aug 18, 2005.

  1. #1
    I've seen this asked somewhere before but, please forgive me, i can't find where.

    If i have a sub page on my site which is PR3 and it only links back to the home page does the home page receive the full 85% of the PR or is it different because its on the same domain.
     
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  2. compar

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    #2
    The home page get the full PR value as far as I understand. I've covered this in my article Google PageRank and How to Get It.
     
    compar, Aug 18, 2005 IP
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    Jim_Westergren Notable Member

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    #3
    Nice chart you had there. URL saved for future reference.
     
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    Very useful indeed, kudos! :)
     
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    cas Guest

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    #5
    Very Nice Article, Though I could not Understand The Chart.

    Just an idea about getting the full PR from internal page of the website.

    Link the internal page from any of the website's main category page, then as mentioned in the article, create link back to home page. Now here is the trick.
    Only use the anchor tag for link to home page and for other site wide general links use javascript. That way one will be able to trasfer the PR to home page. Not sure if I am correct here but just thrown an idea.

    Can any body suggest what will be the benefit in a scenario below:
    Home Page is PR5
    Category Page is PR4
    Creating 5 new pages from Category Page which I guess shoudl get a PR3.
    Now link back the 5 New Pages to Home Page with anchor Text and use Javascript for other site wide links. That Way 85% of the PR can be trasnfered frm 5 New PR3 pages to Home Page.

    What you guys suggest?
     
    cas, Aug 20, 2005 IP
  6. Old Welsh Guy

    Old Welsh Guy Notable Member

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    I really do not want to get into a page rank funnelling excercise here (as it loses out big time to a decent navigation system for SEO easons).

    But, the easiest way is to daisy chain your pr. it is not rocket sch=ience is it. dampening factor of 15% each page has a pr value of PR1 (pr2 only shows on the toolbar once you have gone ABOVE pr1). So page 1 links to page 2 links to page 3, links to page 4 etc etc it is the basics mathematical calculation of compounding. Daisy chan a lump of pages, then fire the PR back to the home page.

    Total waste of time thogh, as a decent hierachy navigation and file structure will benefit you far more.
     
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    #7
    The real waste of time in my opinion is even spending time discussing it let alone actually trying to program for it. PR is virtually useless today.

    Some people believe that a high PR will get you crawled more often, but that only has value for frequently changing web sites. And now with Googles site map even that supposed benefit is no longer needed.

    There are so many other things that you can do to improve your web site, both for the SEs and for you visitors that it is insane to be worrying about PageRank.
     
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    Yes Bob your spot on, what I was saying was that a decent navigation structure will help you from an SEO angle more than any PR based cock eyed navigation structure ever will. Strange thing is though, and this makes me laugh, is that if the file and navi system id logical the PR ends up in the right places anyhow.
     
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    Right now, the value of PR is only for link exhange/sell. Forget the rest.
     
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    But that is only possible because people still think PR is important. As soon as people come to realize that PR is of virtually no value surely they will stop paying big bucks for links from high PR pages.

    So if you own some high PR pages it is a good, but dishonest, strategy to continue to talk like PR was important. What upsets me is that so many newbies and even experienced people continue to believe that lie.

    It is a fascinating phenomenon. The same people who will tell you that reciprocal linking is detrimental to your SEO effort will then tell you that PR is important. How do they think you get PR? You get it from IBL. These IBL links include IB reciprocal links.

    One more time: PR is a measure of the number of links pointing at a page. It has nothing to do with the relevance of the page. Therefore it has no direct impact or influence on SERP placement.
     
    compar, Aug 21, 2005 IP
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    dct Finder of cool gadgets

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    I agree with what your saying but it is stull useful things the Co-op or Link Vault.
     
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    ??? :confused:
     
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    See Bob even when you shout it from the rooftops in plain English people still don't get it lol. I agree that PR has very little (if any) baring on your ranking. In fact the only time I can think of it being any good is when it comes to a duplicate page showing decision, when Google appears to plump for the page with the highest PR. (although even this looks like it is changing more to some sort of relevance of links thing as well).

    DCT, no one said that links were worthless, and as I have said many times before, high PR is just a by product of what matters, and that is the links themselves, and the content of those links (and sticking my neck out) the content of the pages or at least the text surrounding the inbound link).

    Odd that some people appear unable to separate the link, the content of the link, and the PR value of the link in their minds.
     
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    Hey Bob,

    I've been passing links around to people when they ask things like "I've got 6 pr6's pointing to my site, what will my pr be at the next update?" etc etc. I know it's not as straightforward as that, but I think the table really helps out.

    Anyhow, nice to put a face to the article.

    Cheers.
     
    spondishy, Aug 21, 2005 IP