Internal Link Passes More PageRank Than External Link

I wonder Shawn if perhaps the "?f=14" (which suggests dynamic content) is handled different than a URL which (at least appears) static such as faq.html

But puzzle me this - I just noticed a link to http://www.digitalpoint.com/tools/donate_old.html at the bottom of that same page ... and when I fired up IE to check pagerank, I got nothing. I don't see a nofollow there ... so why the heck is that page penalized and/or worth nada?

P.S. Maybe I haven't noticed it, but did you recently change your avatar from the DP logo?

 

Matt Cutts has posted on his blog about this. you should use the no follow tag if it's just advertising. Take a look here for the full post.

"What if a site wants to buy links purely for visitor click traffic, to build buzz, or to support another site? In that situation, I would use the rel=”nofollow” attribute. The nofollow tag allows a site to add a link that abstains from being an editorial vote. Using nofollow is a safe way to buy links, because it’s a machine-readable way to specify that a link doesn’t have to be counted as a vote by a search engine."

 

True.

Not true.

No. The "finite amount of PR" does not refer to your site - it refers to the sum of all sites in Google's index. You see the effect of this as the size of the index increases and it gets more and more difficult to reach PR5, PR6, PR7, and etc. You do NOT see this effect as outgoing links "draining" or "leaking" PR from pages on your site.

 

No but it reminds me I need to go update my site's map which hasn't been touched in about a year, lol !

 

Minstrel, think alittle more about what your saying. How could one page gain PR without another page losing it = all while keeping the average PR in googles cache PR1? Whether internal or external linking it doesn't matter.

Thats the fundamental basis of my claim. Once again so far nobody has agreed with me, but seriously think about.

 

I have, mdvaldosta. How many billion pages are in Google's index? The theoretical possibility of PR leak is one thing. The practical, in reality effect for any single web page or web site is nil.

 

But there has to be a balance. If every web page gave PR to other web pages and it never cost them PR, then the average pagerank on Google would continue to increase and increase... which is contradictory keeping the average PR on the web at 1.

I'm going to do a controlled exercise. I'll get back with you after the next PR update.

 

Every time a planet or star or any other body moves or changes in the universe, it affects the movement or placement or some other aspect of some other body. But there are billions upon billions of bodies in the universe and one of them impacting another in some corner of the universe will not be noticed by the vast majority of other bodies in the universe.

On a smaller scale that's what I'm talking about. Google is huge. Any theoretical impact of the kind of thing you are talking about will not have a measurable impact on your site or mine or this forum, etc. I don't think there is a controlled study that could demomnstrate such an effect as you describe (although by all means give it a shot). For all practical real-world purposes, PR leak does not exist.

 

I belive it exists, and it exists on a factor of eight. I intent to show, by creating link page that nobody will notice and will get no other backlinks.

I intend to show that the control page (zero outgoing links) will have a PR of 5. Then I will have pages with 8, 32, 64, and 128 outgoing links. If I am correct, the the pages with the higher number of links will have lower pagerank. The page with 64 outgoing should have a pagerank approx 2 lower than the page with zero outbounds. The next step would be 512 but that's probably not spiderable, so I stopped at 128.

I'm also going to have a page with nothing but authority links, some people think linking OUT to high PR pages will help (not me), but at any rate.

The pages are almost done, I'll post the results after the next toolbar update.

 

The average actual PR will definitely keep on increasing as more and more pages are created.

The PR that you see on your Google toolbar is the PR converted to log scale.

Google.com has PR of 10 right now. If more and more pages link to it, its PR will increase. Google will then have to adjust the BASE OF ITS LOG SCALE to accomodate all pages.

As someone pointed out, in future it will become more and more difficult to get higher PR (on the toolbar) - the sites which have the highest toolbar PRs right now, will keep getting more and more links and thus Google will have to shift the base in its algorithm higher....automatically pushing down toolbar PRs of existing pages.

Thus average toolbar PR may still not get affected.

 

Very simple but clever/effective test - looking forward to the results.
alek