Interesting Video on the Israel-Palestine Conflict

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    F33l1ngz Peon

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    You should read the comments near the video before you take everything inside as a complete fact.

     
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    Thanks. It is pretty clear the video has an agenda, but I still find it interesting to view the conflict from another viewpoint.
     
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    Maybe you should watch the video instead of reading a bunch of uninformed comments.

    Did you see the Palestinians being rudely treated at checkpoints? The bloody man whose face was bashed into the wall by IDF? The man being beaten by a handful of soldiers with a rock?

    How much evidence do you need to understand that these people have a reason to be angry?
     
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    They have a reason to be angry? Right.

    Have you seen the assholes that blew up buses that had kids and elderly in them which caused blockades to be set up so they won't keep blowing themselves up?

    I heavily disapprove the bashing of ordinary people like saw in the video, but they sure as hell aren't that innocent.

    If you like watching videos, why won't you watch these?

    http://www.terrorismawareness.org/what-really-happened/
     
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    F33l1ngz, you jump from point to point without really addressing the first point, the point was that you did not watch the video, and just pasted comments from there, then said do not take it as facts, if you depend on comments made by others to tell you what is fact and what is not, then that's you, others prefer to watch first before they make their own opinion or comment, by trying to prevent people from watching it, you do not look good, you look afraid that they might see it which means you have something to hide, this something to hide is the real nature of Israel as an illegal, terrorist state.
     
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    Well, I've been listening to this slanted whining my whole life, so you'll excuse me if I couldn't stand watching more than five minutes of it. It didn't contain any new arguments or analysis by such luminaries as Dr. Noam Chomsky...or any scholarly comments at all. It is a simple proposition of the basic pro-Israel argument, which abuses facts to make the case.

    This is simply a slick, schoolbook narration of the IDF party line. Every Jewish child hears this stuff. Those of us who dig deeper tend to be conflicted about the unholiness in the Holy Land.

    These arguments have been made and debunked before, but I may as well salvage the time spent by dealing with a few of the film's highlights:

    Lack of a Palestinian state (it was under Turkish and then British control): This is a non-argument. The issue is not that the people had autonomy; the issue is that they lived on the land and owned it. Up to 1,000,000 local people were displaced. These people do not have the right to live on the land they or their parents were expelled from 60 years ago...yet the Zionists claim that their state is based on 3700 years of continuous occupation AND a diaspora which spread Jews throughout the world. Why is there no right of return for the people who had also lved there for generations?

    Pogroms and the Holocaust were very regrettable, and I understand that most Jews today follow the dream of Israel as a safe haven from these terrors. I do not begrudge them this. What can not be is peace in land settled by displacing residents. According to this propaganda piece, these people and their property "didn't exist"...so why are they so upset now?

    Conflating Holocaust sympathy with the right to oppress the Palestinians is a dirty trick, one I've seen far too many times. It's dishonest. Nazis did great, unprecedented evil to Jews. Also, to Polish and other Catholic people, French, homosexuals, and members of occult groups, among many others. Should the worldwide gay community also be given a homeland at the expense of the local inhabitants? Greece, perhaps?

    Conspicuously missing is any reference to UN condemnation, West Bank settlements, checkpoint harassment, supply blockades, bulldozing Palestinian homes
     
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