Feedback Infraction Happy mods - scare away good members

Discussion in 'Support & Feedback' started by FavouritesBlog, Aug 29, 2010.

  1. Grimm

    Grimm Peon

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    #21
    The mods wouldn't just dig up old posts from the 15th century just to give you the maximum infraction points. There's a difference when a mod just goes trigger ban happy or infraction trigger happy just to get rid of the person and a mod who's digging a couple of old posts from the person because suddenly became suspicious and needs to be investigated.

    Would you say that mods shouldn't go that far as to dig old posts if the person who received an infraction is actually a scammer?
     
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  2. slayerduck

    slayerduck Active Member

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    #22
    I agree, digging up old post looking for clue's or to find proof that somebody is an scammer is really good. And if he finds one the scammer should be perma banned right away, it don't have anything to do with infractions really i think? I don't know what the policy is with scammers on digitalpoint.
     
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  3. Helvetii

    Helvetii Notable Member

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    #23
    Caveat Emptor
     
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  4. ApocalypseXL

    ApocalypseXL Notable Member

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    #24
    I agree it's not fair to give out multiple infractions . They should have just banned you for a week and not waste time giving you more infractions .

    EDIT : I however strongly oppose permanent bans , since they hurt the community and can cause even more problems . 3 to 6 months bans are sufficient to let ppl vent off their steam .

    As for mercy - this is a webmasters forum not a kindergarten (although i have my doubts) . If you're a webmaster and can't even be bothered to read the rules you deserve a ban .
     
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  5. Grimm

    Grimm Peon

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    #25
    So you would rather let scammers with duplicate accounts roam around DP specifically in the marketplace because you oppose permanent banning? Would that hurt the community or help the community by keeping this forum scam free?

    An infraction is just a warning, learn from it and move on. No point crying over spilt milk.
     
    Grimm, Sep 1, 2010 IP
  6. ApocalypseXL

    ApocalypseXL Notable Member

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    #26
    Well when we talk about scamming we're no longer talking about a simple forum infraction . We're talking about braking the law (even if the law enforcement agencies might be powerless) . Scammer fall in the same category whit people that post warez , malicious links and CP . It is common sense that this individuals must be permabanned and IP banned , also the war against scams will be never ending , so you're gonna need all the tools you can get .

    Fighting scammers should always be a task for a specially selected group of subadmins . I don't think you can ask moderators to get involved in this complicated and ugly problem .
     
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  7. Grimm

    Grimm Peon

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    #27
    A simple infraction won't get you banned, NOT unless you've racked up a total of 10 infraction points from different infraction warnings. IF you get banned however due to the infraction points that you've racked up then you'll have to go fishing somewhere until your ban uplifts and expires.

    The only offense that will get you permanent ban is having duplicate accounts or by scamming someone. (can a mod verify this if I am mistaken?)
     
    Grimm, Sep 1, 2010 IP
  8. bk871

    bk871 Well-Known Member

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    #28
    You need 10 infractions to get you banned.

    An infraction is a warning.

    Creating duplicate accounts can get you banned immediately, but it still isn't a permanent ban. (even that is only 6 months I think)

    Stop complaining, especially if you're a brand new member with little contribution to the community.
     
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  9. Zetiz

    Zetiz Active Member

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    #29
    An infraction is just a warning. So, be careful before you get banned. Moderators give infractions to keep the community spam free and clean. So, if you break rules you deserve an infraction. It is nice to be acquainted with the rules at first.
     
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  10. RectangleMan

    RectangleMan Notable Member

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    #30
    So you think staff should get involved in investigating scammers? Based on what? Screenshots that could be faked? Most scams are he said/she said. And what could easily happen...scammers make a report FIRST right after scamming you and claim you scammed them and even provide pre-doctored screenshots proving it. Now you probably think that's far-fetched but it's not. Scammers will do whatever they can to rip you off.

    It's not the job of DP staff to protect members in deals. If you're not smart enough to be cautious with who you're dealing with you will get ripped off. Why should staff spend their time and energy to deal with member stupidity?

    DP apparently is adding an on-site payment system where an IPN is used with paypal to verify deals. This will result in less scams as patterns will become obvious and reps could be linked to these successful payments making sure scammers aren't creating false reps to build fake confidence.

    But DP is not law enforcement. They don't have real investigative powers and certainly can't do more than just ban a scammer. Bans are easily circumvented too.
     
    RectangleMan, Sep 2, 2010 IP
  11. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #31
    We can build a system where users can utilize what we have to place to *not* get scammed, but ultimately it's still up to the user. If something seems fishy about a deal, I would avoid it.

    It's like the old saying... you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink.

    If there is a new member with no payment history or iTrader trying to sell you apple.com for $75 and they are unable to verify site ownership... might want to avoid that one. In fact, I would avoid ANY domain/site sales if the owner can't verify ownership. You can even see when someone's PayPal account was setup now. If their account is unverified and was setup yesterday... maybe think twice?
     
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  12. Laceygirl

    Laceygirl Notable Member

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    #32
    I agree with the topic createor and the 1000's of other people who have complained about this problem. Moderators possibly are targeting people and throwing a lot of infractions. I find it strange that there is this "1st rule of infractions, DO NO TALK ABOUT THEM", and with the fact that the moderator is hidden so you don't know who did it then the horrible times where people don't even get a reason for the infraction.

    I have an experience from about an hour ago. I posted in the signature selling section that I was selling a siggy but the price was at $5, therefore technically its qualified to be in the freebee's section, but obviously its more suitable in the signature selling section. According to the unknown moderator I deserve a warning, because I've been a bad example of a member at Digitalpoint and such be threatened for that post. Now I find it strange that there is 2000 topics in the signature link selling section that should be moved to the freebee's but don't get moved. The feeling is bad to get treated so badly.

    I think the infraction system should be evaluated and changed.
     
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  13. Smyrl

    Smyrl Tomato Republic Staff

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    #33
    Report any post that violates our guidelines. We will be happy to act upon your report.
     
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  14. ArmKaz

    ArmKaz Well-Known Member

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    #34
    Its funny how we see all these topics about mods abusing their power and the administrator doesn't care. Well, the forums is filling up with spam and unique content is decreasing. I guess all he cares is just getting his adsense money.

    Anyways watch me get an infraction for this. For expressing my opinion.
     
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  15. Helvetii

    Helvetii Notable Member

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  16. Grimm

    Grimm Peon

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    #36
    I think you've got this one wrong;

    It doesn't state that you cannot ask why you got the infraction or why you can't ask for the reason why you even got it. You can always ask why if the mod fails to give you one and try to avoid complaining why you got it.
     
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  17. Laceygirl

    Laceygirl Notable Member

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    #37
    He probably cares, he just hears it daily so he doesn't respond in such a unique way anymore.
    Yor right it is the "don't make a topic about one". There's no real reason for make an effort on an infraction because I doubt they have ever been reversed.
     
    Laceygirl, Sep 3, 2010 IP
  18. currenz

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    #38
    I am about to say this.
    I think this is a good idea.
     
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  19. grandislandne

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    #39
    rectangle man, agree with your assessment of lousy Indian grammar, totally true, their grammar is as screwed up as your geography dude, India is not in the middle east, and also just in case someone forgot to tell you, it has also been discovered that the earth is not flat.. :)
     
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  20. Digital_shubhi

    Digital_shubhi Illustrious Member

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    #40
    So, that the one who has come to spam keeps spamming ? :eek:
    If it would be only a warning then no one would care about it.
     
    Digital_shubhi, Sep 4, 2010 IP