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Infolinks vs Kontera - a small experiment

Discussion in 'Pay Per Click Advertising' started by JamesColin, Dec 1, 2009.

  1. #1
    I have registered a website to both Infolinks and Kontera.
    I have now seven days of data.
    Although Kontera says that results may not reflect the real performance of their ads before 2 weeks and the fact that I used Infolinks parameters to help it target ads (via categories).
    But Kontera doesn't offer the ability to help them target ads, and infolinks doesn't say that they need 2 weeks before showing their full potential.

    So.. from tuesday 24th november to monday 30th november:
    Infolinks: 19,443 impressions, 246 clicks (1.29% CTR) makes $35.34 ($1.82 eCPM) so it is a CPC of $0.14
    Kontera: 7,699 impressions, 132 clicks (1.71% CTR) makes $7.14 ($0.93 eCPM) so it is a CPC of $0.05

    I don't know why there are so few impressions with Kontera since I made an exact 50/50 between both services. From my log data, Infolinks reflects the true traffic, Kontera underestimates it.

    I made the links look exactly the same, double underlined with blue color.

    So Infolinks wins by 5 times more. I don't look at CTR, CPC or eCPM, I look directly at earnings, and it's 35 for infolinks against 7 for kontera.
    SEMrush
    I'll let the experiment run during december and will report for this month in january 2010.
     
    JamesColin, Dec 1, 2009 IP
    SEMrush
  2. Dean_Saliba

    Dean_Saliba Well-Known Member

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    #2
    I think $0.05 for Kontera is good. I've been using them for a year and the best I've got is $0.01!

    How the hell John Chow makes $6,000+ from clicks is a mystery. :eek:
     
    Dean_Saliba, Dec 1, 2009 IP
  3. Khansahib

    Khansahib Peon

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    Its strange how you are earning $35 for 246 clicks from infolinks, they are paying me $5-10 for 300 clicks.
     
    Khansahib, Dec 1, 2009 IP
  4. JamesColin

    JamesColin Prominent Member

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    Yes, I'm surprised too as I was used to Kontera's earnings.
    I did this experiment to test infolinks' claim that they are paying better than their competition, I've registered with them on purpose, only one site.

    What I did on my site is to help them (infolinks) target their ads to my content by setting the infolink_cat variable, the categories available are:
    Arts
    Automotive
    Business
    Computers
    Games
    Health
    Home
    Kids & Teens
    News
    Recreation
    Reference
    Science
    Shopping
    Society
    Sports

    On my site ( http://shetoldme.com ) I have different categories, so I created a php code in order to create a relationship between my categories and theirs. I also added a few keywords that may appear in my titles (since my content is user generated)
    For this I used the url of my pages (available in php in the $_SERVER["REQUEST_URI"] variable), here's an example (the real one is a little different) of the code I used:

    
    <script type="text/javascript">
    var infolink_pid = 49501;
    var infolink_wsid = 0;
    var infolink_link_color = '1b81ca';
    var infolink_title_color = '1b81ca';
    var infolink_text_color = '333333';
    var infolink_ad_link_color = '1b81ca';
    <?php 
    // can we specify a category to help target ads?
    // Keywords not from SheToldMe's categories
    if (strpos(strtolower($_SERVER["REQUEST_URI"]),"child")) echo "var infolink_cat = 'Kids & Teens';";
    if (strpos(strtolower($_SERVER["REQUEST_URI"]),"kid")) echo "var infolink_cat = 'Kids & Teens';";
    if (strpos(strtolower($_SERVER["REQUEST_URI"]),"teen")) echo "var infolink_cat = 'Kids & Teens';";
    if (strpos(strtolower($_SERVER["REQUEST_URI"]),"arts")) echo "var infolink_cat = 'Arts';";
    if (strpos(strtolower($_SERVER["REQUEST_URI"]),"music")) echo "var infolink_cat = 'Arts';";
    if (strpos(strtolower($_SERVER["REQUEST_URI"]),"paint")) echo "var infolink_cat = 'Arts';";
    if (strpos(strtolower($_SERVER["REQUEST_URI"]),"car")) echo "var infolink_cat = 'Automotive';";
    if (strpos(strtolower($_SERVER["REQUEST_URI"]),"computer")) echo "var infolink_cat = 'Computers';";
    if (strpos(strtolower($_SERVER["REQUEST_URI"]),"netbook")) echo "var infolink_cat = 'Computers';";
    if (strpos(strtolower($_SERVER["REQUEST_URI"]),"laptop")) echo "var infolink_cat = 'Computers';";
    if (strpos(strtolower($_SERVER["REQUEST_URI"]),"home")) echo "var infolink_cat = 'Home';";
    if (strpos(strtolower($_SERVER["REQUEST_URI"]),"reference")) echo "var infolink_cat = 'Reference';";
    if (strpos(strtolower($_SERVER["REQUEST_URI"]),"recreation")) echo "var infolink_cat = 'Recreation';";
    if (strpos(strtolower($_SERVER["REQUEST_URI"]),"fun")) echo "var infolink_cat = 'Recreation';";
    if (strpos(strtolower($_SERVER["REQUEST_URI"]),"society")) echo "var infolink_cat = 'Society';";
    
    // Keywords from SheToldMe's categories
    if (strpos($_SERVER["REQUEST_URI"],"usiness")) echo "var infolink_cat = 'Business';";
    if (strpos($_SERVER["REQUEST_URI"],"ntertainment")) echo "var infolink_cat = 'Recreation';";
    if (strpos($_SERVER["REQUEST_URI"],"ames")) echo "var infolink_cat = 'Games';";
    if (strpos($_SERVER["REQUEST_URI"],"ealth")) echo "var infolink_cat = 'Health';";
    if (strpos($_SERVER["REQUEST_URI"],"ifestyle")) echo "var infolink_cat = 'Society';";
    if (strpos($_SERVER["REQUEST_URI"],"olitics")) echo "var infolink_cat = 'Society';";
    if (strpos($_SERVER["REQUEST_URI"],"cience")) echo "var infolink_cat = 'Science';";
    if (strpos($_SERVER["REQUEST_URI"],"hopping")) echo "var infolink_cat = 'Shopping';";
    if (strpos($_SERVER["REQUEST_URI"],"ports")) echo "var infolink_cat = 'Sports';";
    if (strpos($_SERVER["REQUEST_URI"],"echnology")) echo "var infolink_cat = 'Computers';";
    if (strpos($_SERVER["REQUEST_URI"],"ravel")) echo "var infolink_cat = 'Recreation';";
    if (strpos($_SERVER["REQUEST_URI"],"orld")) echo "var infolink_cat = 'News';";
    ?>
    </script>
    <script type="text/javascript" src="http://resources.infolinks.com/js/infolinks_main.js"></script>
    
    Code (markup):
     
    Last edited: Dec 1, 2009
    JamesColin, Dec 1, 2009 IP
  5. amitpatel_3001

    amitpatel_3001 Results Follow Patience

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    Seems like you are praising infolinks here but using kontera on your blog?
     
    amitpatel_3001, Dec 2, 2009 IP
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    Yeah i noticed that too, http://shetoldme.com/ is using kontera :D
     
    Khansahib, Dec 2, 2009 IP
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    JamesColin Prominent Member

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    #7
    Do I really have to justify myself? I guess so..

    For this purpose I'll only use sentences I've already written here:

    "Yes, I'm surprised too as I was used to Kontera's earnings.
    I did this experiment to test infolinks' claim that they are paying better than their competition, I've registered with them on purpose, only one site."

    and

    "I don't know why there are so few impressions with Kontera since I made an exact 50/50 between both services."
     
    JamesColin, Dec 2, 2009 IP
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    waqyum Peon

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    I'm also using infolinks and I'm quite happy with it.
     
    waqyum, Dec 2, 2009 IP
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    #9
    did anyone tried the code which senserly has posted in his reply?
     
    webmaster1189, Dec 2, 2009 IP
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    JamesColin Prominent Member

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    #10
    I don't know if anyone tried it, but I did, what do you want to know?

    ------------
    I've just been informed by Brian from Kontera that there was a problem on my site:
    "
    I noticed on shetoldme.com that you are using more than one in-text provider. While we are fine with you testing other providers it is against our terms of service to run another in-text product at the same time as ours. There are many reasons for this, but the most important one being that other products interfere with our algorithms ability to deliver the best results. If you would like some assistance in setting up a proper A/B test please let me know.
    "

    I then replied that infolinks and kontera were never on the same page, but he then send me a screenshot and I saw there was kontera with.. chitika in-text ads!!
    I had totally forgotten that I already had set up in-text ads from chitika, months ago, just to see, but never thought about it since I live in Europe and chitika displays only for US & Canada traffic.

    So, this one week experiment's results are quite wrong now if kontera really relies on being the only in-text script in order to deliver its best results...

    I've now fixed the problem by including Chitika linx (in-text ads) in the experiment, by having each service have a 1/3 chance to be displayed, alone, on any page.

    OK, so the experiment really starts again from the 5th december.

    Just for fun, here are the stats I got from chitika linx for the same period (24-30 november) but displaying on all pages only for US & Canada traffic:
    Infolinks: 19,443 impressions, 246 clicks (1.29% CTR) makes $35.34 ($1.82 eCPM) so it is a CPC of $0.14
    Kontera: 7,699 impressions, 132 clicks (1.71% CTR) makes $7.14 ($0.93 eCPM) so it is a CPC of $0.05
    Chitika linx: 16,732 impressions, 197 clicks (1.18% CTR) makes $26.26 ($1.57 eCPM) so it is a CPC of $0.13
     
    Last edited: Dec 4, 2009
    JamesColin, Dec 4, 2009 IP
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    webmaster1189 Active Member

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    #11
    i want to know if the code is safe.and that i can run it on my site or not.since oyu have modified it.and so i was thinking if there is any kind of coding which can mess my site in anyway.i mean like hack or send any confidential info to someone.sorry but i m a noob in coding
     
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    JamesColin Prominent Member

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    #12
    If you're a noob in coding you really don't need my code :)
    I'm not modifying THEIR code in anyway. But honestly it's just a small detail, you don't need it for infolinks to run just fine on your site.
     
    JamesColin, Dec 6, 2009 IP
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    JamesColin Prominent Member

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    #13
    Hi, just wanted to update this thread with information, following my mistake of having chitika linx being displayed on top of all pages along with infolinks and kontera...
    Now those are proper stats from Chitika linx, Infolinks and Kontera in-text ads with each a 1/3 chance to be displayed on the same site ( http://shetoldme.com )
    Chitika will only display ads for US & Canada traffic, but I display the script regardless of the visitor's IP, so there will be less impressions than the two others.
    So here are 5 days of data, from 5th december to 9th december:

    Chitika linx: 3,965 impressions, 56 clicks (1.41% CTR) makes $7.08 ($1.79 eCPM) so it is a CPC of $0.13
    Infolinks: 10,430 impressions, 122 clicks (1.17% CTR) makes $20.87 ($1.96 eCPM) so it is a CPC of $0.17
    Kontera: 8,374 impressions, 194 clicks (2.32% CTR) makes $18.76 ($2.24 eCPM) so it is a CPC of $0.10

    As we can see, without chitika linx displaying on top of everything, the gap between Kontera and Infolinks earnings became smaller.
     
    JamesColin, Dec 10, 2009 IP
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    Just my experience... I tried Kontera, Chitika linx and Infolinks. Infolinks won the battle.

    With Kontera I couldn't break $2/day with thousands of impressions. It was usually less than $1 per day!
    Chitika linx - it worked better than Kontera, but...
    Infolinks - This works the best for me. No matter that the average earning per click is only $0.05-$0.10, they show ads worldwide and I also see over a hundred of clicks each day.

    I'm using Chitika, but not Chitika linx. Only Chitika Premium which BTW generates less revenue than infolinks.
     
    pinkretard, Dec 13, 2009 IP
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    JamesColin Prominent Member

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    @pinkretard: my test seems to reflect your experience.

    An update to the stats, from 5th december to 16th december included:

    Chitika linx: 9,252 impressions, 135 clicks (1.46% CTR) makes $14.76 ($1.6 eCPM) so it is a CPC of $0.11
    Infolinks: 26,376 impressions, 334 clicks (1.27% CTR) makes $98.94 ($3.75 eCPM) so it is a CPC of $0.3
    Kontera: 20,921 impressions, 438 clicks (2.09% CTR) makes $52.1 ($2.49 eCPM) so it is a CPC of $0.12
     
    JamesColin, Dec 17, 2009 IP
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    very much happy with infolinks.
     
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    For 238 clicks on Infolinks, I'm getting 2.81$.

    I have no idea how you guys are getting so much out of it. I used to earn much more.
     
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    the problem with inline ads are visitors rarely click on these type of ads... even i never show any interest to click on inline ads while viewing some pages...
     
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    Does anyone have an Infolinks Vs Adbrite or InfoLinks vs Vibrant Media comparisions?


    -C
     
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    JamesColin Prominent Member

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    A final update to the test, running from 5th december 2009 to 3rd january 2010 included:

    Chitika linx: 18,595 impressions, 266 clicks (1.43% CTR) makes $31.95 ($1.72 eCPM) so it is a CPC of $0.12
    Infolinks: 48,356 impressions, 628 clicks (1.31% CTR) makes $203.57 ($4.42 eCPM) so it is a CPC of $0.32
    Kontera: 36,874 impressions, 694 clicks (1.88% CTR) makes $85.51 ($2.32 eCPM) so it is a CPC of $0.12

    So in order, eCPM:
    Infolinks: $4.42
    Kontera: $2.32
    Chitika linx: $1.72

    So Infolinks is clearly a winner in this test, but be conscious that Infolinks knew about this test, so did Kontera, only Chitika hasn't been informed about this test.

    I also have other sites on Infolinks, and during this same period here are the stats:
    3PDF.com eCPM of $1.67 and a CPC of $0.15
    Juhuj.com eCPM of $0.77 and a CPC of $0.06
    Not the same result as SheToldMe.com!

    Also on Kontera I have another site, still the same period:
    Senserely.com eCPM of $1.51 and a CPC of $0.04
    Here too, the performance is lower than for SheToldMe.com but the difference in eCPM is not as great as in the case of Infolinks.


    So in conclusion, take this test's results with a critical filter, but it tells you at least one thing for sure: Chitika linx's earnings SUCK! :)
     
    JamesColin, Jan 4, 2010 IP