India's government forces use gas and beat people like dogs. No Liberty to Protest

Yeah, he does, but so does the person that created the thread that this thread is meant to sort of goof on.
guaragkagjaksdg posts one, one-sided anti-American post after another. You should try scrutinizing his posts too if you want to be fair.

Yeah, because they had warrants for their arrest and thought they might be plotting violent acts, as I recall. Certainly wouldn't be the first time in history a so called radical protest group were involved in criminal activities.

The problem with guarasdlfasdfj and maybe even people like you, is that they intensely look for things that could potentially be wrong with the U.S., then once they find them, their standard of "proof" is very low while their standard of proof to the contrary is very high. For example, guarakasgaj sees protesters getting arrested and to him(or at least he wants us to believe it) this is undeniable proof that we are a police state. Why didn't he automatically assume that the protesters had violated the law and were rightfully arrested; because he fairly examined the facts or because he applied his standards in such a way that would serve the conclusion he has already made?

 

Hmm when I see items that are false I bring it up no matter who brings it up.

I don't know why he did what he did, he is not me, I do not post like him, nor do I agree with much of what he says.

Had this thread been based on facts I would have no problem with it, as you can see though it most certainly was not, in fact the OP still wont show where he gets the 'facts' that 68,000 have been killed, all unarmed, most woman and children.

 

Hard to claim being fair and objective(is that really what you're claiming) when you took a pass instead of applying the same amount of scrutiny to the motives of the poster this thread: http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=1009787

 

So the U.S. is turning into a police state?

 

Where is the outright lies in the first post? I see opinion by him, not lies.

So do you get off by following me? Sorry I hurt your feelings.



BTW the difference I see is in the thread you linked to the OP is speaking of 'preemptive' arrests, something I will not agree with.

In this thread multiple lies have been stated, in the beginning the OP also makes it like the protesters were doing nothing but protesting and then got beaten. Leaving out the fact that they were actively throwing rocks.

A big difference IMHO.

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The OP in the other thread also only linked to videos, not an article, an article that contradicts what he posted.

BIG DIFFERENCE!

 

"But America is turning into a police state."

"So, all the values the United States of America stood for, liberty, freedom to protest, freedom to petition the government are being trashed. And you're OK with it... Great to know. Today its these protesters, but tomorrow it could be you."

"You are losing your rights, and you'll don't even know it."


I just grabbed those gems from the first page of that thread. He is stating that we are turning into a police state, that our liberties are "being trashed", and that we are losing our rights without knowing it, and he is stating these things as fact.

Do you really think he has examined all sides of these issues fairly and reached these conclusions in a non-biased way? He makes one, one-sided post after another, all espousing these Anti-American views, why don't you hold his feet to the fire?

Or do you only care about someone being fair and balanced when it doesn't disagree too much with your own political persuasions?

 

guarajasdfkasdk's posts are propaganda(as are homebiz's) and he linked to one of the greatest propaganda tools, probably in the history of mankind, youtube.


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prop·a·gan·da
1. information, ideas, or rumors deliberately spread widely to help or harm a person, group, movement, institution, nation, etc.

 

All items which are of his opinion, opinions are different than items someone claims as facts.

When are you going to get over your hard on of following me around like a troll? You are seriously annoying, and not very good at it as well BTW.

If you want me to I'll gladly link you to the definition of someones opinion over that of a fact.

I can try to show you the difference from someone posting a rant based on opinion, only linking to 2 videos compared to someone posting so called facts while leaving out a big chunk, while linking to an article. An article I can easily see the facts as the article states.

The two are totally different, but again I see you are more worried about debating my style and me than the actual topic at hand.

 

In those quotes I posted did he preface them by saying, "It is my opinion that the U.S. is a police state" or "It is my belief that..."? Propagandists throughout history have known that if you repeat something enough times, it can become as good as fact in the minds of many.

I responded to the "select quotes" post, you could have ignored me. I'm not going to ignore someone like you who is biased but purports to be fair and balanced. It is the worst kind of bias when one is dishonest about their bias yet purports to defend facts. If you are going to be a purported fact defender then I'm going to hold your feet to the flame.

 

To me it shows it's his opinion, it is not a fact such as '68,000 have died, mostly innocent woman and children, all unarmed' that is a basis of a fact, not opinion.

It's the worst type of person who trolls just to troll, when clearly shown the difference between the 2 opening posts.

One linked to videos and yes was more 'opinion' based propoganda

One linked to an article and used select quotes, there was no 'select' quotes to be had in the other thread as there were no articles linked to in the OP, thanks for showing you had no argument from the get go.



If you honestly want to debate me and my style as it appears that's all you want to do, start a new thread.

 

I'm thinking of doing exactly this. Will the mods infract me if i do so?

"GRIM is always WRONG: His greatly flawed style of debating"
[Through the eyes of a perfect and always correct debater [me]]

 

I pulled each word of the Opening thread from 6 articles. If Grim would use google they could easily be found to be fact. Grim is my own private mosquito that trolls everyone but deflects his trolling and starts accusing others.

 

The two types of BS exhibited by guaraagkaska and homebiz are not exactly the same, in a constituent way(the parts that make them), but they are both BS. You should hold people accountable like homebiz for doing this stuff, but are the specific tactics as important as the intended goal?

I honestly don't think you or your style are important enough to have a dedicated thread.

 

Sounds good to me

Would be better than these constant dislodging of what the thread was intended to be, simply in order to debate my debating style.

 

6 articles, ahh yes anyone can 'select quote' to make something to what it is not. I think that was the reason I posted btw Homebiz.



It is not trolling to show when a poster is lying, something you do frequently.

 

Yes you do troll and lie quite often and when you get called out you through temper tantrums.

 

If the tactics are fighting lies with more lies, i see a problem.
God knows we don't need any more lies in this lie infested forum.

I like where this thread is going. Is this the place to discuss who is a sinner and who is a saint?

 

What I mean is, that GRIM seems to base and justify his criticism of homebiz's post on homebiz's presenting lies as fact. But there are many on this forum that post agenda-driven thread/post after post that are full of opinions stated as fact. Is one more dishonest than the other?
If GRIM were a newspaper editor and this were a newspaper I may very well see the importance of that distinction, but he's not and this is not.

 

Well it is the Politics&Religion forum, so perhaps it is.

Anyway, GRIM is the one that is changing the subject to him. Go back and read the thread, this has become his M.O.