Indians racial attacks in Australia?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by chimpysmith, Feb 10, 2010.

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Do you belive attacks on Indians in Australia are racialy motervated?

  1. Yes, for sure

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  2. Australia? WTF where is that?

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  3. No,there not

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  1. #1
    Do you beieve the attacks in australia on Indian people are racial?
    Personlly I think your an idiot if you don't think they are,just my opinion.
     
    chimpysmith, Feb 10, 2010 IP
  2. sarahk

    sarahk iTamer Staff

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    Gee whiz, that opener really makes me want to enter the "discussion".

    Aussies are racist but alot of it is bred from experience. When large communities of immigrants fail to integrate with the "mainstream" population then there are problems. So ask yourself - is there a problem with the way the Indian population has integrated itself? Are they living in racially based communities or spread evenly throughout the population.

    Its not a one sided problem but I know that NZ maori love it in Australia because they get treated "just the same" and that's better than in NZ. So the Aussies have the ability to get on with different racial groups/cultures/skin colour. If they fail to get on with Indians then then the reason why needs to be identified and addressed.
     
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    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    The typical Australian is not racist. I do believe that the attacks are racially motivated. But the culprits are a very small minority which should not be extrapolated to the general Australian population. You can find Hong Kongers, Singaporeans, Vietnamese etc in Australia, there is no issue about integration.
     
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    sachin410 Illustrious Member

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    how do you justify people getting murdered just because they "were not able to integrate themselves with the mainstream" ???
     
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    wow, being called an idiot by someone who doesn't know the difference between you're and your (just noticed, their and there too).... that's rich. It's a bit like being called a slob by someone who has just shit their pants.

    If Indian people are being attacked for being Indian then, by definition, it's a racially "motervated" incident.
     
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    alexispetrov Peon

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    In recent months 6 Indians have been attacked in Australia and made the news. (Attacks and murders here make the news every time, it isn't that common.)

    Now, out of those 6.

    1 Indian was attacked in retaliation after he sexually assaulted a married Australian woman.
    1 Indian set HIMSELF on fire to claim insurance money. (Google it. It's pretty messed up.)
    2 Indians were murdered by another Indian; the killer was unhappy living with them.

    Lastly, 2 Indians were attacked. Just attacked.

    People get attacked everyday in every country; it's wrong to assume that these attacks were just because they were Indian.

    Whatever your misconceptions are about Australia it is INCREDIBLY multicultural - we have a great number of multicultural schools, for one thing.

    Statistically speaking, Indians are many, many times less likely to be attacked in Australia than Australians.

    Also, the majority of violence in Australia is actually committed by two groups of people, immigrants and aboriginals.

    Before trying to say that Australia is so damn racist you should visit. Australia is one of the least racist places there is.
     
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    masterrio Well-Known Member

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    I would agree not all attacks were racially motivated but you can't try to escape just by claiming it could have been of immigrants or any other crap, if you are a foreigner live in a country, its the country's responsibility to answer for any wrong doings, this applies to any nation regardless of what.

    a person who visits aus must not think of his security he must be thinking about his purpose of visit, but the recent attacks have raised a severe alarm in India and many parents especially are scared to death, to send their wards to get educated in australia.

    I am not saying all aussies are racists or all are non-racists but when a group is a targeted, its the moral responsibility of the govt. to make good secure measures, its not just my view but your own ex-cop had confessed about racist prevalence in australia,it was on tv media and he was surprised by the govt. constant denial mode. The deaths aren't the only racist attacks, if you look at police records there are over 500 racist attacked cases recorded in 2009 in just a single city, this isn't is an easy issue to be neglected about


    I just hope the tensions calm down and peace prevail
     
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    What codswallop. If you visit anyplace you think about your security.

    If I were to visit India I wouldn't think I could go anywhere, trust anyone, do anything so long as it fitted with the purpose of my visit. I'd be fleeced in 30 seconds. Talk to any group of backpackers who have visited and the stories they can tell!

    A few years ago we took our kids to Thailand, Malaysia and Singapore. We considered India but we didn't believe we could ensure our "security" there so we picked countries we knew were OK.

    If Indian parents are scared of Australia they have no idea how the world works. It would be a walk in the park compared to sending them to another Indian city!
     
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    now u better not judge how an Indian thinks, parents here feel far more secure than sending their kids to australia,its just some stupid aus media coverage might have brought u into this decision/assumption, India is a safe country for Indians and none are scared to move to various parts. I have now come across this assumption too many times even by your politicians I really have no clue how they could comment about a place which isn't their living origin. The issues claimed by Indians regarding aus are because of the attacks and not because of any other crap,no Indian parents feel scared of sending their child to any other part of world (which isn't a terror hub), Indians live in huge numbers in US, CA, UK and many other nations, there are racist attacks but not as alarming as the ones in australia especially in the past 1yr

    few yrs ago the things were different in India because of the nasty terror strikes, now the things are under control with better security measures taken since Mumbai attacks.

    its totally up to the foreigner to decide about their security, you could very well have a contact with a local knowledgeable person, for an instance I had my pen friends who were in Toronto, he wanted my help in his arrangements for his visit and I took care of him, he was safe and sound, there isn't a security concern for any one as long as he makes his work with in the day up to 11pm,

    I constantly move up and down in India and my parents are/were never scared even once and even when I traveled to other nations about my security but they were scared when I had to go to Sydney around 5 months back for a marriage function, so I think you have to understand the logic before making a claim

    the security I mentioned in my previous post is to general security and not the one which you tried to highlight, I am not interested in visiting a place waiting to be attacked, that's a security issue but not some false assumption of security threat by some stupid media
     
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    masterrio it is not some stupid "aus" media that made anyone come to any decision - Australian media isn't in anyone's face.

    Also he/she can judge how Indian parents think/feel just as well as you seem to be judging everyone else.

    Also, I have a friend in India - he believes that it isn't safe for women to be out after dark there, I'd agree.
     
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    I am not judging about some one away from my country, I am just giving you a data of my country, well safer for women after dark depends on the area, she is wandering about, I agree there are sensitive areas around but not all areas are bad or sensitive, if she travels in a car, she will not be in any sort of trouble, if at all there is trouble it comes from the walkers, especially the lower caste drunk ones and they target only walkers and not some one who travel in a four wheelers

    about media, I had read an article in Sydney herald I think few months ago, stating aus is safer for Indians than India for Indians, how can u make such an accusation with out any proofs ??, even in the most developed nations such as US, have areas where women aren't advised to go around late nights. If you say australia is safer to some other x country its fine but when you say australia is safer than India for Indians then its total crap

    Late night culture isn't something Indians have been brought up with, its a western impact which has resulted/shown/given way to late night cultures in India

    I would never travel late night ir-respective of the country I am in, unless I am traveling in a car

    just for the info, I wasn't accusing all australians are racists, I was just stating the pt. its the responsibility of the govt. to provide security for the minority sections especially after the higher no.of attacks

    if a govt. can't do that and be in denial mode, then its no use of calling itself a developed nation

    I got no clue, why most of my pts are always taken in a wrong intention :eek: I think you guys give higher importance to attacks rather than entire posts :p

    just cool off guys, the answer is simple provide better security and make sure to reduce no.of attacks and no one will question u up, Indians are living in australia for so long and even though there were racial attacks before, it was not in a huge number as the recent times, its the same reason this attacks have become sortta daily news on here and more attacks are only freaking out the parents from sending kids to aus, you can also refer stats, the drop ratio of Indians to aus has fallen very badly
     
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    australia is one of racist country in the world, specially towards asian, specially indian and vietnamese. i do not recommend australia for place to visit or study to asian people.
    india fear over australia attack
    another attack
    Pauline Hanson in her maiden speech to parliament
    welcome to australia.
     
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    "More like a person who was on their ipod and was tired". Don't ruin a topic and start talking about shit, you making your self look even more like a idiot.
     
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    Make your mind up. Should the foreigner "must not think of his security" or "decide about their security".

    Seems to me you haven't thought this through.
     
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    FYI, most Australians hated Pauline Hanson - look it up. Hell, she went to jail a few years back, and a popular song was released based on insulting her.
     
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    Pauline isn't really the spokeswoman for Australia. Thanks for your recommendation, but I didn't really see much racism in Australia which is my second home. Have seen a lot of Indians and Vietnamese doing very well in Australia. Also there are tons of Indians trying to get into Australia. Wonder if they do it to experience fear? There are better places to go IMHO, Iraq will be a good place.

    There is a tightening of the immigration rules for Australia. I think it is a good thing as it closes some of the loop holes. But if Australia is as bad as you say it is. I guess there is no need to worry about excessive immigrants.

    I presume that you won't appoint Ajmal Kasab (of Mumbai attacks notoriety) to be India's spokesman will you?


     
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    I meant security in the sense as, the general security concern for other nationalists to visit India is about terror attacks, where as the fear which we have about is personal security, we are un-sure who would hit us back where and when, terror strikes are far more better for me, as its almost an attack on entire neighborhood - extremism sucks (that's another topic :p), but racist attacks are getting down to a person or a group which is pretty insulting and shows the cheap behavior

    I am not supporting either of the attacks but there is a difference in the way you look up security, its not about making my mind up, as its already hard as a rock :p

    in India, you don't get attacked because you are of "x" nation, pak is our top rivalry and still there are thousands of them in India, in various fields such as movies, music and so on, we don't attack pak people just because we are a rivalry nation. I know this hard to understand as its a little complicated but that's how the things go on around here.

    Indians have opposed racism since the time of Mahatma Gandhi on records and we still stand by it. We don't make racist attacks and we don't ourselves to be attacked on racist concerns.


    ~peace ~ peace ~ peace ~
     
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    Oh I think if I was to walk around ooh, say, a town in Andhra Pradesh the way I walk round my own neighbourhood (NZ, just across the ditch from Aus) I would be a target because of my race and my gender. Ironically I'd probably be assumed to be American, wealthy etc. So when I get mugged it will be because I stood out and was of a different race.

    It goes both ways.
     
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    just for the info I am also living in so called Andhra Pradesh :p, the tensions in the state are not due to racism but due to a request for partition of states, that's a total different topic, it needs a different discussion :p

    only the telangana regions in AP are sensitive @ the moment, I am not in telangana region, the issues are real calm down, we have many international visitors down here,

    anyway, the best security you have to look up is by being contact with your embassy in other nations, its some thing I follow regularly and I suggest others do, I agree we are not gods to predict the current position down at states or cities but keeping a touch with the embassies would keep us better informed

    in typical if you are an international tourist you will not be harmed ir-respective of the tensions @ the premises, though I can't guarantee one's security if he calls him self an Australian at the current point, you could be very well the target for extremists to get media attention

    we just have to get along with things, but just the denial mode from the aus. govt. which p**** off the Indians around, if they would agree their helpless nature it might have not turned into such a sensitive issue but the counter attack has really given aus in a negative frame, you should blame the politicians and the racists for current mess, Indians are not having these high racist issues in any other part of the world

    I am not supporting racism or any local attacks just for the info, but you have to understand a racist attack is a total difference to the current scenario in AP. Its a political or any way some struggle to get a free state of telangana, so I don't want any debate on this on a racism related topic :p

    ~peace~peace~peace~
     
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    What crap is the media feeding you in India?

    Yeah... all Aussies are racist. We are just sick and tired of the Indians taking all the jobs we don't want like taxi drivers and running convenience stores.

    /sarcasm
     
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