India = SEO, good or bad

Discussion in 'Search Engine Optimization' started by bacardirum, Aug 17, 2006.

  1. Mr_Kumar

    Mr_Kumar Notable Member

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    #41
    Please do not take it personally. Guru/elance and other site have system of feedback. Have a look on it, go to the past work and then pick up. This is buyer feedback to tell the quality and not RAC.

    Time is precious for all. So not going to indulge into this conversation any more. I'll only say -- go for quality yet cheap. Believe in the Best
     
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  2. ewc21

    ewc21 Peon

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    #42
    Doing business with SEO companies everywhere must be tied with performance and the way you do things. You may rank high on certain phrases but if the way you do it is rather dubious, it's a matter of time your rankings will be wiped out of the top pages. The problem there is how to determine if a company is good with SEO or bad.

    It's unfair if India gets a bad rep on SEO just because low cost is sometimes associated with low quality. Of course there are many very good SEO people in India. It's just because some folks who lack knowledge pretend to be experts and spread different sorts of myths.
     
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    #43
    Guru/Elance are not the only sites that offer this kind of service :D
     
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  4. lovefinder

    lovefinder Banned

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    #44
    Guru/Elance are not the only sites that offer this kind of service


    can you tell me more like that ?!
     
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  5. seoocean

    seoocean Well-Known Member

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    #45
    Firstly - this is not a patriotism issue - this is a business strategy issue.

    The work in India is cheap coz -

    1) 1 US $ = 45 INR - This is the main reason that people find the Rates for Services cheaper than their own countries like USA or UK. Indian companies do not provide CHEAP services - its just because of the difference in currencies that the services are cheaper for people buying it.

    Moreover there is no question of Low quality services - as some of the top USA companies outsource to Indian companies - I dont think they keep outsourcing work for no good reasons :D

    Another interesting part of this entire discussion is Why is the need to outsource other than PRICE -

    Though i am not a scientist - high school drop out rates can explain this fact. While an average urban Indian child graduates - 83 % of the total urban highschool going children, the children in usa arent doing that.

    Check this : http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2006-06-20-dropout-rates_x.htm

    and

    http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0621/p03s02-ussc.html

    Higher educational qualifications combined with a lower rate would mean better quality and quantity at a lower price - this is a classic win-win situation.

    Lot of other factors as limited working hours according to government norms and overhead cost for hiring and infrastructure are considered while deciding to outsource as part of the corporate strategy - I am sure all my american friends would agree that they are good at strategy making !!

    Seo Ocean
     
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  6. amnezia

    amnezia Peon

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    #46
    lol there are a lot of terrible SEO firms in india that still use techniques that were being used 4 years ago, but i have seen some good work as well.
     
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  7. seoocean

    seoocean Well-Known Member

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    #47
    A mixed bad is everywhere around the world !! :p
     
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  8. lovefinder

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    #48
    I still think that USA/UE free lancers are having prices&quality of work much more competitive then Indians companies :(
     
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  9. Manish Pandey

    Manish Pandey Well-Known Member

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    #49
    well my latest achievements...

    vintage music #2
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    :)
     
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  10. Sem-Advance

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    #50
    I will say Indian SEOs are no worse or better than anyothers.

    The arguement to use Indian SEOs because they are cheap however is not good business or common sense.

    There are a lot of cheap cars made which break down more often than more expensive cars, there are cheap food places where the food taste bad compared to a more expensive place to eat. As with anything cheap does not equal better...

    Another issue is Indian SEOs seem to think ranking well on the Google India based search engine is something to be proud of...but ranking for English terms on a foreign language based search engine is not too hard.......

    Again it comes down to the client needing to do research and verify the results a firm says they have produced.

    I will also say the Indian SEOs like to claim some of my own work as theirs LOL..That has to stop....

    As for having to compete with the low cost issue...quality work and proven results beatas cheapo claims anyday of the week, at least from my experience.

    but otherwise like anything else in life...

    Buyer Beware
     
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    #51
    Well this is one area where Indian programmers stink, I hate to say it but after seeing it 50+ times its the truth

    Most Indian based link builders run a network of templated websites off a shared host and build 100s of worthless links....

    The unsuspecting webmaster who is new... sees all this work on a spread sheet....gets a warm happy feeling with no proof that the links are worthwhile ( You have no Google PR so how can you claim these links are good???)...
    and then claim to have great links built....

    till Google comes along and devalues them all and then labels the site untrustwothy sending it into the bottoms of the SERPs never to be found....lol....

    By the way ...your brand name should be at the end of the title tag not the beginning...if you were a household name such as Coke or Pepsi where your brand is a keyword then you would make your brand the primary keyword in the title ...

    Otherwise you are killing the weighting of the keywords in the tag.
     
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  12. seo-mumbai

    seo-mumbai Well-Known Member

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    #52
    Microsoft hase around 60% indian programmers, person who is really cleaver and can handle indians will be in that position.
     
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    #53

    I dont think so...maybe in india they have 60% but not elsewhere and those microsoft hires are put through rigourous training and background checks which most webmasters cannot do to check the rest of your fellow contrymen.

    I also wont get into the fact that my indian based friends tell me of how the bragging goes in Mumbai New Dehli and other areas where there are internet cafes with people boasting about which american they ripped off...

    Peace
     
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    #54
    it was the biggest joke of my life to outsource to india...the guys knew nothing about seo, and i learned more about seo in 1 month then they knew at all..

    they suckered me cuz i was naive about seo and thought PR was worth it..i paid 1K for gaurantee to get PR2, and it took them 3 months..

    but then i read this forum, and thats a joke

    but im sure some smart guys otu there, but many naiive ones too
     
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  15. Mr_Kumar

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    #55
    So, where is the problem? The problem is in picking up guy.
     
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    #56
    I don't think it's a good idea to generalize based on country. :)
     
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    #57
    Perfectly said.:) Basically you should hire guys who have received good feedback from other sources. That is why the references come in so handy.:)
     
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    #58
    I have found some great content writers in India - most of them I have found by reading their blogs and asking them to write for me. Its nice to have local flavor...
     
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    #59
    Personally, I, think it's ridiculous to rely on any one particular channel of website promotion - there are literally hundreds of other options available to the webmaster. The idea is to liberate yourself from search engine dependency, not to perpetuate it.

    For what it's worth, over the years our company has wasted far too much money and time dealing with other SEO's broken promises; it's always been more cost-effective to implement search engine strategies in-house.

    As for the original poster not having the time to learn SEO, I'd have to say he/she really doesn't have much of an interest in, or commitment to their website. Given the opportunity, I could explain SEO to anyone in 5 minutes, or less.
     
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    #60
    Go to big place like a getafreelancer, ecoder ( for coding )... or there are many place like that.... you will again find the great repution indian company there :)
     
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