India’s failed ballistic missile launch

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  1. robjones

    robjones Notable Member

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    #81
    Doubt anyone is "pissed". If you can't tell fact and fiction apart it's not our problem.

    Thinking it's greed for oil indicates you have no idea how much money we're losing on Iraq.

    As for the excuses, what about them? Two possibilities... either a massive error or serious duplicity in the intel community and it was bought by both the Bush and Clinton admins. Our government, the intel community, and all governments in general lie thru their teeth on a daily basis. If this is news to you, welcome to the real world.

    I suspect if that excuse hadn't been used there'd have been another. Hussein had been shooting at our jets over the no-fly zone, he'd attempted to kill Bush Sr, and generally spouted his mouth off too many times. Simple fact: Pick a fight with a guy raised in Texas you get a fight, not a sternly worded memo. Much like when Ghadaffi mouthed off at Reagan and an airstrike hit his house & shut his mouth.

    Hussein made a huge error in judgment twice... 1st with his Mother of all battles crap he said to Bush Sr (result: Bush Sr dropped so much ordinance on them that his troops left Kuwait like their butt was on fire), then when Clinton ignored his frequent transgressions he got overly bold and made the same mistake with Bush2 that he'd made before. It's a matter of paying attn to the person you're talking to, and it's terminally stupid to piss off guys in cowboy hats who have access to aircraft carriers and heavy artillery. That answer might not be PC, but it's historically accurate.
     
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  2. masterrio

    masterrio Well-Known Member

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    #82
    what's Japan got to do with the nuclear machinery now ? The atom bomb was in 45 and all tht is long back, japan and us were rivals over then and now they are friends. If there is any threat of nuclear its going to be from a stubborn nation like china r brain less nations like north korea who thankfully got their illegal nuclear technology from pak. See, where ever we try to poke in pak some how comes to surface don't know why this nation is involved all the notorious activity..


    The biggest nuke war could happen only with 3 nations they are us, china and russia who have the highest no.of nukes. May be pak would join them as they seem to be to keen secretly building more and more weapons to some how dis-mantle their neigbour who conveniently forgot the genes are same across the border.

    ahh
    I am turning into a melodrama I am boring myself now :(
     
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  3. ApocalypseXL

    ApocalypseXL Notable Member

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    #83
    China's nukes are made in china lol i bet that the explosives will go just a slightly off so it won't implode :p . Also Japan has just joined the race for nukes . I guess they don't want to let the Arabs get nukes 1st .

    I do find it ridiculous that none of this fools even imagine what we have installed for them if they keep it up whit the race for moar nukes ;)
     
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  4. Asif1

    Asif1 Peon

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    #84
    ok I got it. so Hussein made a mistake for for saying "Mother of all battles crap he said to Bush Sr" so whole country faced the consequences, of what saddam hussain did, but what about nuke weapons excuses to pave the ground for the battle or to search excuse for war.

    good to know your another explanation, well seriously i thought it was purely for getting oil From iraq. so this war started.

    and not a limited quantity oil but unlimited quantity which can be owned only by becoming master of other's property on the name of war against terror. congratualtions..

    thanks for increasing my general knowledge, .



    Hussein made a huge error in judgment twice... 1st with his Mother of all battles crap he said to Bush Sr (result: Bush Sr dropped so much ordinance on them that his troops left Kuwait like their butt was on fire), then when Clinton ignored his frequent transgressions he got overly bold and made the same mistake with Bush2 that he'd made before



     
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  5. Helvetii

    Helvetii Notable Member

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    #85
    Like I said before, intentional targeting of innocent civilians in large number to create a "psychological" effect is by definition called terrorism and mass murder. I sometimes feel like the person running the site in your signature and the one posting here are two opposite sides of a coin.
     
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  6. ApocalypseXL

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    #86
    Hey dude would you be so kind to tell me when was the last war where India had to mobilize all of its resources or get crushed ? And post some numbers while your at it ?

    Hiroshima and Nagasaki where a show of force in the first place and a game ender only after that . Thanks to those nukes I'm not posting in Russian and you're existing on this planet . Or you think that Uncle Jo would have called stopped the advancement of the IS-3s in the name of peace and good will ?
     
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  7. Helvetii

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    #87
    Which strengthens my suspiciousness that you are from Poland... Now coming to the topic - I'm not saying that nothing good came out of it but at what cost? Rob runs a site for a cancer patient and supports an act which killed hundreds of thousands of lives and plagued generations with serious cancers. I wonder if US had decided to "show strength" in Poland, you'd be probably posting with a deformed hand and dick cancer. Those people didn't deserve it. Fighting soldiers on fronts is one thing and killing innocents to "show strength" in another - a cowardly act of terrorism. No wonder US had to impose censorship for years after the strike and feed propaganda to its population for they would have lynched the people who commanded the strike, earlier they used to be more aware and more worried about many things than just taxes.
     
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  8. ApocalypseXL

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    #88
    I'm not from Poland I'm from Antarctica as you well saw ;)

    In WWII all sides mercilessly bombed one another's civilian population into dust . Now be a good sport and don't ignore the est of my previous post .

    Or you think I'm kidding about a Russian speaking Europe and a nuked India ? Uncle Jo had big plans for me and nuclear plans for S-E Asia and the US . That show of force shocked the USSR and the Red Army . The German troops where merciless and strong but never exterminated a whole city in the blink of an eye . Suddenly the great war for the motherland had to stop it;s advance . Even so Germany was still split in two for the next 50 years .

    The reason why I asked you about India's last war for survival is because I don't think you can understand the US or EU mentality . We are quite strong now but we have always fought for survival not for wealth or land or pride but for survival . The US mentality is largely an European mentality . And our way of thinking was formed by almost 3 millennia of non-stop war . The fact that in the last 60 year no once came to set out cities ablaze or to enslave us is eerie and unusual for us .
     
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  9. masterrio

    masterrio Well-Known Member

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    #89
    So occupying other's lands is an survival tactic, wow! what a way to put it. Why can't u guys make a living in ur own continent rather fleeing and attacked other nations and even occupied them for longer periods. Portugal, Britain, France, German ... and the list builds on, now don't try to say its an EU survival tactic.

    India is already fighting hard for survival thanks to our neighbors one sends terrorists while from other end illegal immigrants are issue. We have over 50,000,000 illegal immigrants - that's just a govt. calculation so the real amount would be at least 2 times higher than that. You always pointed out as look at our population growth, the reason of the population growth is also due to immigrants who have settled in various parts of the nation. May be our friendliness is been taken advantage of.

    A nuke war is a terror war no other words to put it, you like it or not. If Japan attacked US, then US could attack Japan with more forces no need to create mass-destruction and till date the poor 2 cities can't have proper lifestyle.
     
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  10. ApocalypseXL

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    #90
    Who said anything about occupation ? We just used to slay/shoot/bomb one another like maniacs before the EU . If you look at the history book no empire ever controlled Europe for more then 5 years .

    As for European colonialism it was how the moder world was built like it or not and it had it's roots in the desire to find new wonders & spices . Then it materialized in rare resources ad so it went until the end of WWII .

    As for terror Hitler sunk huge amounts of civilian ships and bbqed London , Leningrad and pretty much every major city he could bbq also he bbq the Jews . The allies bbqed everything that had a swastika and Stalin bbqed what Hitler didn't bbqed already . Big daddy Stalin also bbqed his own people by putting them in gulags . Japan bbqed Hawaii during peace , they bbq Singapore , China and had their fair share of atrocities committed . The US bbqed Japan and toped it off by bbqing Hiroshima and Nagasaki .

    Oh ya almost forgot Helvetti , Hiroshima is today a normal city and it's been a major industrial center in japan since the '70s . My seat-belts are made there . So no mutations in the last 40 years AFAIK .

    Masterrio man ,I don't know how is India fighting for survival whit a strong economy and one of the worlds largest armies . I mean the only thing that seems to be keeping you guys from having a nice country is the fact that you never had a strong leader since Mahatma Gandhi . What can I say , I hope you guys can make it . I'd hate to see India become another China .
     
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  11. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #91
    The United States did just fine for a hundred years without a "strong leader."
     
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    #92
    and what makes you think Gandhi was a "strong leader".
     
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  13. Helvetii

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    #93
    What you are saying is that two wrongs make a right, which they don't. You know that don't you?
     
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    #94
    Ya , the Manhattan Project and the Internet where built by wimps .

    For starters thanks to him India is a free nation .

    Who said war is right ? Two wrongs might not make a right but you'd beat the crap out of someone if it punches you .
     
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  15. Helvetii

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    #95
    Yeah but I'd not beat someone else to create a "psychological effect". ;)
     
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  16. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #96
    Victory in war can be achieved either by killing all of the enemy, or more humanely, by destroying the enemies will to fight.

    Creating the proper "psychological effect" can prevent an enormous number of casualties. The example of the nuclear bombing of Japan is textbook case. Without those bombs, the war would have continued for much longer and resulted in far larger numbers of casualties -- both allied and axis and both military and civilian.

    The nuclear bombings destroyed the enemies will to fight, bringing peace and prosperity to Japan in rapid succession.
     
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    #97
    Sure and the people who died, their relatives, the people who were injured, their children who were born deformed, and further generations deserve to be sacrificed for the "greater good", :rolleyes:

    Even if the lives saved were more than the lives lost, you or no one gets to decide specifically which ones should be lost or rather ended with regards to non-combatant civilians, when you do its called murder. As simple as it gets..I'm surprised you people have a hard time understanding this.
     
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    #98
    its the Pakistanis who should thank him not the Indians. you should brush up your history a bit.
     
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  19. Helvetii

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    #99
    I bet you are part of that hypocrite anti-gandhi lobby who claims he was a british agent. You sound like those guys who believe in God but still mock him because it gives their ego a kick-up.
     
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  20. miscsoft

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    #100
    to start with had the congress and gandhi had supported netaji an iota, we would have our freedom much earlier and without any partition.

    its much honorable to be an hypocrite rather than branded as a congress. you might forget how these non-violent men put garlands of burning tyres during the anti-sikh riots.

    unlike you i dont have a habit of mocking. ask any boarders here and you will know.
     
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