Incorrect Google reporting?

Discussion in 'Keyword Tracker' started by compar, May 29, 2005.

  1. #1
    According to the KW Tracker my site does not show in the top 50 for the term seo services. See attachment.

    And yet if you go to Google and search on that term the page shows up in either seventh or eighth place and has done so consistently for some time.
     

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  2. Design Agent

    Design Agent Peon

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    #2
    A possible explanation:

    This sounds like your tracker has 'run out' of queries it can run (I am assuming you have lots more terms on the KWT than this). It effectively stops when its run out (I have 600 Keywords on the tracker and many show up as 99xx red) - when I managed to clear a few the n/a jump back up.
     
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  3. Elee

    Elee Well-Known Member

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    #3
    This happened to mine several weeks ago!! Great positions one day, the next day NOTHING!!

    I reduced the number of n/a but still are showing no results inspite of having good positions in Google when I check manually.

    Any suggestions as to what could have caused this change??
     
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  4. nightmare5liter

    nightmare5liter Guest

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    I tried to post on a similar subject. This may have to do with different google datacenters reporting different results. For instance I have a website that position tools show as 1st page results and am getting traffic from first page searc results from google but a search from my location and I can't find my site anywhere! see http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=16856 this is where my original post was moved to. I posted again in the google section but that post was completely erased and I don't what I'm doing wrong! BTW try your search with aol as it seems to report results similar to what the position checking tool are showing for my site.

    I just did a google search for seo services and your url is #7 from my location.
     
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  5. compar

    compar Peon

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    #5
    If that happens I don't think the date updates, and the date has always updated each time I've run the report.

    It can't be just datacenter difference either I don't think, because as you can see it has been n/a for over a month. Surely in all that time the KWT would have sampled a datacenter that had it in 7th place????
     
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  6. teamshop

    teamshop Plainsman

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    Compar,

    I see the same thing on several of my targeted keywords, KWT says I am not in the top 200 but manual checking Google has me in the top 10 - 20 plus I recieve a large amount of referrals from around the world searching these same keywords. I would assume these many searches are coming from different datacenters
     
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  7. FTEGal

    FTEGal Peon

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    I have the same thing. My top keyword when typed into google is #8. keyword Tracker says 46.
     
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  8. nightmare5liter

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    Like I said I have been experiencing the same thing

    http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=16856 this is where my original post was moved to. I posted again in the google section but that post was completely erased.
     
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  9. the_lar

    the_lar Peon

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    #9
    Same thing here, I'm showing lots and lots of N/A's in the rank column but actually checking the terms on Google is displaying solid first page positions.

    Is the tool broken? Has something changed, I've always found it pretty reliable until recently?

    Lar
     
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  10. compar

    compar Peon

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    I'm surprised that Shawn hasn't responded to this thread. He is probably the only one who can shed any light on this.
     
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  11. teamshop

    teamshop Plainsman

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    One thing I have notice on this issue, at least in my case, is that the problems seem to be occurring when checking ranking on internal pages from my site. Not one of my internal pages that I check are showing ranking even though manual checks on Google show that they do in fact rank for the selected keywords.
     
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  12. compar

    compar Peon

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    Interesting observation, and the page I'm talking about is an interior page.

    I'd still like to hear from Shawn on this issue.
     
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  13. teamshop

    teamshop Plainsman

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    Has anyone heard from Shawn regarding this issue? The vast majority of my search engine traffic comes from high ranking keywords pointing to my internal pages but KWT doesn't seem to be able to pick up rankings of any of my internal pages. I am seeing this issue on all 3 SE's being checked where manual checks show many top 10 rankings but KWT shows no rankings
     
    teamshop, Jun 12, 2005 IP
  14. compar

    compar Peon

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    Shawn seems to be ignoring this thread for some reason. I've emailed "support" at digitalpoint and I've PM'd him privately and still no word from him about this problem.

    Maybe he just isn't going to spend time and effort on free tools???? It's a bit of a piss-off when so many of us use this tools and are all experiencing the same problem.
     
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  15. Smyrl

    Smyrl Tomato Republic Staff

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    #15
    Shawn expects us to read. As a skimmer I miss all too much. Have you clicked on link on left and had tracker search again. Tracker is programmed to work as efficiently as possible. Each time you search it does not start at first SERP in long list of SERPS. If your SERP moves up it can miss the improvement.

    Shannon
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    From the FAQ

    I had a lower position, but now it's higher. Why does it still report the lower position?

    The system attempts to make as efficient use of your Google API key as possible by searching at your last known position. Because of this, if your old position remains in its current place, but a new page in your domain ranks higher, it will stop searching for your rank after it locates the first one (which will be your last known position). To get around this, you can trigger the "Check All" function to run and search from the beginning of the results by clicking here.
     
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  16. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #16
    I'm not going to be able to tell you anything more than what the keyword tracker does. The real question you would want to ask, you would want to ask someone at Google... "Why does the Google API for this search not match the normal results?" The keyword tracker is nothing more than a reporting mechanism... Simply reporting on what the Google API tells it.

    I can't tell you why or why not the Google API reports something.
     
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  17. teamshop

    teamshop Plainsman

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    #17
    The problem isn't just with google, it is occurring with MSN and Yahoo as well which doesn't use the API
     
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  18. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #18
    Well, if you want to post an example of a keyword/URL combo, I can at least tell you if the API is reporting it wrong or not. {shrug}
     
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    teamshop Plainsman

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    lorien1973 Notable Member

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    #20
    The KW tracker has a habit of "losing rankings" for a few days, then they come back later on. I recommend just using the KW tracker for trend analysis, not worry too much about day to day changes.

    I've been noticing a pattern that if 2-3 rankings "disappear", then 2-3 new ones get a "9999" next to them and they are ones that lost their ranking a few days earlier. I think its misreporting on the google side and causing it. Since the API isn't really meant for this, I don't think; it probably does not give back the most reliable data all the time.
     
    lorien1973, Jun 12, 2005 IP