Importance of websites being listed in archive.org?

Discussion in 'Google' started by JohnS0N, Jun 11, 2008.

  1. #1
    Do you think a listing of your website in archive.org affects your trust rank and in turn SERPs and traffic in google? As of now the waiting period is around 9 months for a new website to appear, not 6 months as they say in the knowledge base. It could somehow relate to the sandbox theory. Once you gain a significant age, you appear as a more thrustfull website.

    Has anyone done any particular tests on this matter?
     
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  2. kappaknight

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    I don't think it has any effect. Just because you are listed on there doesn't mean you're providing good quality content. Google's primary job isn't to give webmasters headaches by creating impossible algorithms with wacky rules. Google's primary job is to provide the best, most relevant information when users do search - as long as you keep that in mind and optimize your site to that goal, I think you should be okay.
     
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  3. vagrant

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    I think google is very well aware how long any content has been on any page they have in their database without having to use archive.org ;)

    They probably have a much better internal version of archive.org anyway (they would be unwise not to) to determine who is the owner of things such as duplicate content, how long a link has been on a page, if a page changes it links often, updates content often etc. etc.

    vagrant
     
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  4. CommonDavid

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    Being on there doesn't matter, but being around and more well established for a longer time does matter, so those two things sort of go hand and hand.
     
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  5. JohnS0N

    JohnS0N Notable Member

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    I agree with all who replied. However I don't exclude the possibility. It shouldn't have any effect really if you look at it rationally, but then again you have to keep in mind that archive.org is 2 years older than google and it might have been possible they used data from them back then and now too.

    No it doesn't. It does however mean that your website has been around for a while (not that google would NEED archive.org to determine that), and age factor HAS effect on your rankings and traffic.

    Not for pages older than google.

    Google does not really care who the original owner of content is. If you have more links pointing to a page with duplicate content, or if you have more authority, you will rank higher.
     
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  6. Sem-Advance

    Sem-Advance Notable Member

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    First the only sandbox that Google had was an Adwords tool. There was never a sandbox for organic SERP.

    There was and is an age delay.

    Google did not need archive.org, nor would they rely on a free sites data to determine trust.

    Trust is determined by how many pages are put up in what time frame.

    How many links are built and in what time frame to those pages.

    Plus many other factors.

    Basically its a test of natural factors that are related to the typical website that was built over time and developed natural links.
     
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  7. Nyceane

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    I am listing there right now and see whats the affect
     
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  8. Pixelrage

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    archive.org is an awesome way to back up an implied trademark you own that has been contested, if need be.
     
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  9. IEmailer.com

    IEmailer.com Well-Known Member

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    Totally correct. it doesn't matter at all and wont help your website ranking.
     
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  10. Sem-Advance

    Sem-Advance Notable Member

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    Where did you come up with this as a fact?

    Trademarks can be lost if not marketed or used enough. There is no protection offered due to length of ownership.

    Age of ownership is not enough to protect your rights with a trademark.

    Can trademark rights be lost?

    The rights to a trademark can be lost through abandonment, improper licensing or assignment, or genericity.

    Trademark rights can also be lost through improper licensing or assignment.

    Trademark rights can also be lost through genericity.

    Read more here;

    http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/metaschool/fisher/domain/tm.htm
     
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  11. InfoSmith

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    I believe Google has it's own archive from every time it claws. I don't believe Google will delete the old version from them internal database. So..... Google has nothing to do with archive.org. Specially when archive.org has relationship with Yahoo.
     
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  12. WishBone

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    Getting listed on Dmoz will be better.
     
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  13. JessieJames27

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    I don't try it, and i will never try it. It has no effect, WishBone is right, Dmoz will be better, it is tested and true. :p
     
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    I have never heard of archive.org. I am going to check it out. Thanks for giving me something to do.
     
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