Impartial and unbiased ABC tries to tie Aurora shooter to Tea Party

@Earl: So many problems facing this nation, inner city violence not the least of them, but I'd be hard pressed to rank it in the top 5. You should give a listen to this book tv interview with Rand Paul.

http://www.booktv.org/Watch/13735/B...nd+Paul+The+Tea+Party+Goes+to+Washington.aspx

I was stunned by how much I agreed with practically every word he had to say. For the first time in a while, I felt like I had a lot in common with one of our representatives in Washington. Not sure if you've seen this, but watching Paul Ryan in action, what he has to say, the cadence of his speech, the guy is obviously got it together.

[video=youtube;zPxMZ1WdINs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPxMZ1WdINs[/video]

Did you check out the MASSIVE short notice crowd that gathered in Wisconsin to welcome Ryan back home after the VP announcement? I hadn't realized it but apparently Ryan represents a majority Democrat district, a district that voted for Obama 08, yet he is overwhelmingly liked. Apparently even his rivals respect and like him.



If the stories are accurate, this is a guy who likes to get everyone in a room, especially those who disagree with him, and make his case. If true, it would be a refreshing change after three years of bitter partisanship, hype, and blame that comes from the top. I'm cautiously optimistic.

 

o_nation: I see you moved off topic again. I'm also glad to hear you are a fan boy. Is somebody sending you a fan boy costume?

Is this the fan boy official hat?

 

Jesus Christ Earl! Hasn't anyone ever told you not to post your picture on public forums?

 

Come on O_dude: speak up about guns that end up killing Americans...not about the "liberal press".

could it be you are too busy at meetings of the Rand Paul/Paul Ryan fan club at your secret meeting in the nearby Castro district where you all dress in these fanboy uniforms:

 

Well, I'm not sure why you are rambling on about the liberal press. The bulk of my post was about a few qualified adults we have running for office, which is a nice change from many of the idiots we have in Washington right now. Seriously, what has Harry Reid done you want to brag about?

Of the two of us, I suspect I am the only one who has actually been to Halloween in the Castro, and trust me when I say, the costumes involve a lot less material than your photo. Regarding Paul Ryan fan boys, I suspect that club is just getting started, and I wouldn't be surprised to see quite a few folks from the Castro signing up (34% and rising according to the last poll).

 

What we really need i a thread for guns killing the liberal press... but then there's probably somebody that'd find the idea offensive.
[Then again I doubt their mothers are members here, so the maybe we could.]

Incidentally, that's roughly analogous to the problems we've had with Tourist Season here. People kept calling in to find out what the bag limit is and they had to start looking for a less confusing name. Caused a lotta trouble. I even put a Gun Free Zone sign on my front door, but the game warden rightfully called me on it... it's illegal to hunt with a baited trap. Danged killjoy.

 

I think what Earl is claiming is that, since Obama is President, all this gun violence is Obama's fault. I get it. NO EXCUSES.

 

Corwin: Your comment makes me laugh. As I was pondering the Opening Post following the Aurora shooting, I was thinking back to a virtually similar post O_nation made following the Trayvon Martin shooting....and thinking to a post I know you made blaming Obama for some terrorist on a plane.

Well, the terrorist was captured and nobody was hurt. Meanwhile in the two shootings I referenced and O-dude posted about relative to the "press" a total of 13 people were shot to death and 58 injured.


So I go back to my comments. Gun violence in the US is an example of an issue co-opted by the Right Wing. Its so serious and so bad....and no politician will deal with it.

Obama, who the right wing screams about and the gun zealots have warned will take your guns away has done NOTHING ON THE ISSUE. hey look no democrats will touch it.

its not even on the political agenda. Its been that radicalized and granted a bye on serious discussion.

Yet this year, according to Brady's reporting of all mass killings...77 have been shot and 177 or so have been injured. And that doesn't include the shooting killers themselves.

Lots of deaths. The issue isn't even being dealt with. Contrast that again with a airplane terrorist who caused ZERO deaths or injuries...and you were quick to blame Obama as were many on the Right.

Its not the only such issue co-opted by the right wing...that doesn't get dealt with....

...but blame your right wing cohort in arms, o-nation for repetitively showing how the right wing tries to keep the nation under sedation as Americans shoot Americans...and the issue gets buried.

People//innocents//school kids, people in houses of worship, soldiers protecting their girl friends, a congresswoman and her supporters...all get shot up...and nothing gets done.

Its a great example of the extremism of the Right Wing.

Seriously, do you guys like the fact that innocent Americans get shot and killed??? Do you support it? It appears that way.

 

And still, the best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Always has been.

 

And 40 people per day die in automobile related deaths in the US. What is your point, do away with automobiles? I think Rob covered that one.

I'm stretching my brain trying to find the connection you were trying to make between Trayvon Martin and the Aurora shooter. One appears to have been self defense, the other was a deranged lunatic. I commented on both because rabid left always tries to go after guns after any widely publicized gun related death.

 

Simple response to a complex issue, Rob. On a simple basis I'd say....Yup.

But that isn't my point. I still don't see why there aren't constraints on unlimited access to automatic weapons, at the least. I still don't see why certain local areas,....you conservatives know what I mean... states rights, kind of issue (ever hear of that???) can't more forcefully deal with these problems including more serious legislation targeting gun ownership if they choose to do so.

I guess you folks on the right think that states shouldn't be allowed to deal with their own problems...isn't that right?

 

So much in error from your posts to address, but lets keep it simple. Twice you stated the cause of all these dead people being "Unlimited access to automatic weapons by psychos". In that spirit, I want to ask you a yes or no question.

Was an automatic weapon used in either the Aurora shooting or the recent shooting at the Sikh temple? Yes or no?

I'll provide you the help of some very simple web research in case it was a complete accident you were misinformed on the subject.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/24/us/aurora-gunmans-lethal-arsenal.html
http://news.yahoo.com/handgun-type-used-sikhs-mass-shooting-weapon-choice-051221545.html


Another question. Can most people in the US buy an automatic weapon, as you alleged twice? Yes or No


You see, this is the problem I was pointing out with the media. If we get people like yourself frothing at the mouth about all the lunatics in America running around with automatic weapons, despite the simple fact it is not the case, we can get through the legislation that people like you really want. And what is that? The only logical thing of course. The Aurora shooter used a semi automatic pistol, a shot gun, and an assault rifle which jammed early on. The Sikh temple shooter used a semi-automatic pistol. The only logical thing to prevent something like this from happening again is to take away those evil semi automatic pistols and shotguns. That is what most people refer to the criminalization of weapon possession, which is why you find yourself ranting about the "automatic weapon" problem, like some sort of lunatic.

What a funny thing to say right after admitting that none of us have seen most of the evidence. Are you a betting man? I'd be more than happy to make a friendly wager that a jury of his peers is going to find George Zimmerman innocent by means of self defense, in spite of the fact we don't have all the evidence, and in spite of the fact there is the political pressure and threats of riots if they don't string that latino up, whether or not he is innocent. Let me know.

 

A different analogy might be, the 14,000 knife victims a year in the UK. Not picking on the UK, just couldn't find knife statistics in the US. Anyway, should the UK make knifes illegal? In my opinion, the problem is not the fact that adults can easily buy a knife.

 

Well this shooting occurred pretty near me. The shooter and the guard he shot both got shot.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/15/guard-at-family-research-council-shot/

I wonder if this will piss off the right wing and the NRA. Imagine that...a lib using a gun and targeting an example of the extreme right wing. Maybe the GOP lap dogs that push forward NRA and gun manufacturers legislation will ban libs from having guns. sounds sorta reasonable.

 

They have the next best thing..... it's illegal to carry any knife (other than a small pen-knife) or sharp pointed object in a public area.

"It is an offence for any person, without lawful authority or good reason, to have with him in a public place, any article which has a blade or is sharply pointed except for a folding pocket-knife which has a cutting edge to its blade not exceeding 3 inches." [CJA 1988 section 139(1)]

So whilst it isn't illegal to buy any amount of knives (except for 'flick-knives)...you can't have them on you in a public place.

 

Well Earl, as the shooter on this one was apparently a liberal trying to shoot conservatives, we can probably expect swift justice as the Holder DOJ swoops in to have the charges reduced to "extermination without a license".

Besides, though i dont exactly know how, I'm sure somehow there's gonna be an attempt to spin this as being the fault of Michele Malkin, Rush Limbaugh, Mitt Romney, et al. It's sorta become standard protocol.

In all honesty, notwithstanding the glee shown in some quarters trying to tie every shooter to the Tea Party, a crime is a crime and the victims are not more or less dead based on whether the politics of the gunman do or dont match mine.

 

Haha Earl. I was going to create a new thread about this but I've been busy. Apparently the guy had a bag of Chick-Fil-A on him. Funny stuff! He probably did it just to get gun control laws passed! Clearly the liberals don't need gun control, they need gun training. All that shooting and only one person hurt? What a horrible shot!

Well, there ya go Rebecca. That should answer your question. Yes. Knifes should be made illegal. What we really need are bigger prisons.

 

I know, right?

On a side note:

Since that passed in 1988, stabbings have increased significantly. Apparently, many of these people that are inclined to go around stabbing others in public, just don't care about the law.

 

How strange is that. Making it illegal didn't just make it go away. I guess the prohibition or the war on drugs may have lessons for us after all! Personally, I would thought making knifes illegal would have caused everyone to give them up, though I'm a bit confused as to how one eats a steak without a knife.