Impartial and unbiased ABC tries to tie Aurora shooter to Tea Party

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    And people wonder why trust in our news is at an all time low.
     
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  2. Corwin

    Corwin Well-Known Member

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    This is something I would have expected from Wolf Blitzer.
     
    Corwin, Jul 22, 2012 IP
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    grpaul Well-Known Member

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    Agreed.

    They are so blatantly biased now, it's not even funny....
     
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    #4
    Maybe they should start listing all criminal's political affiliations, as well as their religions, in all cases. This makes no sense. :)
     
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    Corwin Well-Known Member

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    Now, the Obama campaign is saying the Mitt gives women cancer.
     
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    Rebecca Prominent Member

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    [video=youtube;TU3aT6P1bew]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TU3aT6P1bew[/video]

    I wouldn't blame her death on Mitt Romney.
     
    Rebecca, Aug 12, 2012 IP
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    Particularly since...

    -- Romney left active management in 99 to go run the Salt Lake Olympics
    -- the plant closed in 2001
    -- the lady wasnt ON hubby's insurance, she had insurance thru her own job
    -- the vid said she got sick shortly after the plant closed (that's 01) and died in 22 days... but turns out she died in 2006.


    Any death from cancer is sad. What's sadder is pimping out your wife's death unfairly for a political hack job. The ad is bs.
     
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    Rebecca Prominent Member

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    Wow. I didn't know that. I had assumed the man was sincere, expressing his opinion that financial hardship from losing his job and insurance caused his wife's death. Even so, I didn't blame it on Romney. But even if the third point is correct, it does make it appear this man is just using his wife's death for political purposes. That ad could seriously backfire.
     
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    As the facts have emerged, pretty much every news station has labelled the ad as something akin to pondscum. [Except NBC of course, who have refused to report on the topic at all.] Even CNN did an expose on this thing and condemned it.

    The White House and the Obama campaign have acted like they knew nothing about it... which gave them cover for about half a day... til someone noted that the Deputy Chair of the Obama Campaign, Stephanie Cutter, had led a conference call in May where she personally paraded in Joe Soptic to tell the same tale. Cutter was caught lying thru her teeth and promptly canceled her next TV engagement to wait for this to blow over.

    A White House spokesman tried the same ruse as Cutter. Here's the Washington Posts account: SOURCE

    The campaign is NOT legally allowed to coordinate with the PAC that produced the attack ad, which seems to have been what happened in this case... and of course the PAC is headed by the former Assistant Press Secretary of the Obama White House.

    The whole thing is a mess of broken campaign law and flat out lies... but needless to say the Obama campaign is pretending this is just no big deal. Seriously, the ad flatout blames Romney for the womans death... and then Soptic states that he doesnt believe Romney cares. It's a serious sleaze job.

    Details are shown on my blog... about a post back from the one showing on my profile.
     
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    It gets worse. This guy had been in on Obama campaign conference calls before. The super pac may have not coordinated in perpetuating this lie, but the Obama campaign was definitely aware of the story and had considered using it themselves, only to later deny any knowledge of the details.

    [video=youtube;6kSYT53NMug]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kSYT53NMug&feature=plcp[/video]

    [Edit] Oops. Just saw Robs post. Sorry for telling the same story twice.
     
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    Rebecca Prominent Member

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    It just shows the low level they're willing to sink to. I haven't been reading the news lately, been too busy. But that's crazy!!! I know politics can get ugly, but still...It's hard to understand how anyone could purposefully be deceptive about the death of a close family member (just to try to get Obama elected). No feelings? Ughh.

    @Obamanation - Hi! :)

    It makes it just that much worse for the Obama campaign to be dishonest about their close involvement with the PAC.
     
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    So he killed that poor woman? Who would vote for Romney killer now? :)
     
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    I've heard he dines nightly on the spleens of the unborn.
     
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    True. I also heard he invested in an alternative fuel made outta puppies.
     
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    Puppies?!! Quit spreading lies. Everyone knows Mitt's new alternative fuel is made from the blood of baby harp seals.

    [​IMG]


    Hey, we might be qualified to run as Democrats for congress!

    [​IMG]
     
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    Here's a vid of CNN not only ripping the Soptic ad... But also Debbie Wasserman Schultz claining she has "no idea of the political affilliations of the super-PAC that ran that ad".

    Lol. Even the mainstream newscaster called that one for what it was. Debbie is the head of the DNC, the chief fund raising arm of the Democratic party, and she has no idea who is in charge of the major pro-Obama super-pac. Just never noticed it was manned by recent ex white house staffers. Uh huh.
    [video=youtube;HbF6-wK57DY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbF6-wK57DY[/video]
     
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    Heres a fun paired quote, a few days apart, from Deb Wasserman Schultz, Chairman of the Dems:

    First quote (Friday)
    Followup on Sunday, after everyone called bullshit:
    I have no idea when flat out lying became "stating the obvious", but on her newer topic... "No control"?

    Not true per the standard candidate Obama stated in 2008 when a John Edwards friendly PAC was concerned.
     
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    earlpearl Well-Known Member

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    Just one of the deeply sad aspects of gun violence in the US is how the extreme right wing has not just taken control of the issue, to the extent that no law enforcement entities of any local, state, or federal government can deal with the problem. Its essentially been knocked off the political agenda in any way shape or form.

    o_nation's reference above (which includes articles referencing the liberal press for claiming the tea party is to blame) is a simple example how this issue has been co-opted by the right wing, wherein we can't deal with the problem.

    How bad is the problem?

    James Brady, Ronald Reagan's press secretary was shot and injured in the shooting of Ronald Reagan back in 1981. He is paralyzed but has been actively openly campaigning against gun violence ever since. His mission argues the case with data and reason. The website includes an ever increasing list of mass shootings since 2005. That list is 62 pages long now and growing. It will grow with today's shootings near Texas A & M, where 3 were killed and 4 injured. a very long list of shootings, deaths and injuries

    If you just look at the list for 2012 alone, mass shootings in the US so far in 2012 resulted in 77 deaths and 177 injuries. That doesn't even include the shooters, some of whom were killed or injured in these violent acts.

    The murder rates by guns in the US is significantly higher than in similar nations. Immensely higher. The typical comparisons are between nations with levels of gun control and the US. Over a 6 year period between 2005 to 2010murder rates in the US by guns was between 8500 to 10,000. Very big numbers. source. During that period it was dropping but its immensely high compared to similar nations.

    Meanwhile, politicians for the most part won't confront the issue. Obama is doing zilch on it. One of the only big name pols speaking up on it is the mayor of NY. He is getting nowhere on the topic.

    The right wing has completely taken control of this issue.

    Following the Trayvon Martin shooting in Florida, it was publicised that Florida pro gun politicians got a law passed wherein pediatricians were banned from speaking to parents about guns in their homes. Cripes....a doctor, a baby doctor at that was prohibited from even bringing the topic up by law. That is astonishing and a prime example on how far to the right the issue has moved. This unbelievably stupid bill passed by the Florida legislature and signed by the governor was recently ruled unconstitutional by a federal judge for freedom of speech violations

    The basic issue about gun violence has been pushed off the political agenda. Americans have huge access to guns and keep using them to kill one another. Nothing gets done about it.

    A lot of the killings occur in urban areas with shitty neighborhoods. There are some cities with incredibly high murder rates. I live near DC. Inside DC in certain crappy neighborhoods basically kids kill other people, mostly kids. Some of the killings move out of those neighborhoods. When they hit fancy neighborhoods it gets a LOT of press. Meanwhile move a little outside of DC to the West where you have Fairfax County which is wealthy and it has one of the lowest murder rates in the nation.

    But frankly, the authorities in DC, and all those other cities with high killing rates should have the tools to fight gun violence.

    They DONT. Its getting harder for them. One reason is because any effort even on a local basis to deal with gun violence is squashed by the Right Wing political side.

    Meanwhile...back to hard facts....77 dead from mass murders this year and 177 injured...and 8500-10,000 murders from guns per year. And the local authorities who want to deal with the issues are handcuffed.

    And more meanwhile....a big story about shootings comes out...like the Aurora killing or the Sikh killings...and right wing supporters immediately jump on the press...rather than deal with the issue.

    AT ALL.

    Its a tragic element within the US these days, in which a serious issue is not only off the table...its being further distorted by stupid laws, and dangerous politicians like the one in Florida which was recently declared unconstitutional.

    Its a real problem when one party and political movement has destroyed common sense.
     
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    Earl. Dont have time to re-post the volumes i've said already on the topic of guns, so i'll ask you to re-read them.

    Oh yeah... Your mother wears army boots.

    So there! :p
     
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    earlpearl Well-Known Member

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    @ Rob: No need. I've read a lot of your stuff. I've read the stuff about the constitution and the stuff about individuals protecting themselves against violence by having guns...and I've read other stuff.

    I'm not against guns. I'm against the issue having been moved from debate...to can't be touched by politicians or authorities. Specifically I don't get mass accumulation of automatic weapons, and I'm against the fact that in crappy urban areas gun violence is widespread and local authorities are being handcuffed from dealing with it. I'm probably against a lot of other stuff, but those two come to mind.

    Shit, I've shot guns, done target shooting, but never gone hunting. I grew up in an urban area dominated by the mafia, in fact around the corner from a serious 3 generation big time mafia family.

    The lessons learned were:

    A). Don't fuck with them
    B). They can outmuscle you and outgun you.

    Both were pretty damn true back then. the lessons stuck.

    Lastly....yeah...but her boots have high heels.
     
    earlpearl, Aug 13, 2012 IP