Immigration : The Real War on America?

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  1. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #161
    Ughhh... I came across Defending Immigrant Rights: An Activist Resource Kit from "Political Research Associates" and thought it might be informative and useful.

    ARGGHHHGGHHGHG... I want the last half hour of my life back. I know that politics makes strange bedfellows, but these people are absolute morons. I had forgotten how naive and senseless the socialist left could be. It not only pains me to be allied with these idiots on an issue as important as global human rights, it pains me to be a member of the same species as these oxygen thieves.

    Even now I feel a desire to scan their documents for useful statistics, but every time I do I am sickened by the incredible and undoubtedly willful ignorance which is both an effect and a cause of their world view.

    With friends like these, our countries newest residents don't need enemies.
     
    Will.Spencer, Dec 23, 2007 IP
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    #162
    Welcome to the conservative struggle amigo :p
     
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  3. Codythebest

    Codythebest Notable Member

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    #163

    OK...But again:
    Defending legal immigrants with full rights,
    defending legal immigrants with no rights, or
    defending illegal immigrants with no rights?
     
    Codythebest, Dec 23, 2007 IP
  4. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #164
    Cody:

    Can you state your argument or question more clearly? As stated, it's difficult to understand what you are trying to get across.

    Thanks!
     
    Will.Spencer, Dec 24, 2007 IP
  5. bogart

    bogart Notable Member

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    #165
    Welcome back to the conversatives. Everyone loves a night out with a couple of senoritas and a bottle of tequila. But you don't want me to send you the bill for it? That's what the illegal immigration is about.
     
    bogart, Dec 24, 2007 IP
  6. bogart

    bogart Notable Member

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    #166
    Hey Coby. I think I know what you are trying to say. People on work visas that are legally in the US have less rights and privileges than illegal aliens. Is that correct?
     
    bogart, Dec 24, 2007 IP
  7. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #167
    No no, the conservatives also are wrong on this issue. Sorry. :)

    Here's what I came up with during my last nap:

    Both the socialists and the conservatives start with the same wrong premise, which is that economics is a zero-sum game.

    The conservatives and the socialists then diverge completely.

    The conservatives say "Economics is a zero sum game which we deserve to win."

    The socialists say "Economics is a zero sum game which we do not deserve to win."

    The conservatives strike me as selfish, the socialists strike me as suicidally stupid.

    As an atheist with a strong belief in the value of evolution, my minor annoyance with the conservatives is completely overshadowed by my intense revulsion at the continued existence of the socialists.

    But still, both groups started with the same basic error. :)
     
    Will.Spencer, Dec 24, 2007 IP
  8. Codythebest

    Codythebest Notable Member

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    #168
    That is correct.
    That's why I wanted to make sure that when people talk about immigration, they are actually knowing the differences between immigrants:
    1) Those that are fully legally documented with no rights
    2) Those that are undocumented and illegal with no rights
    3) Those that are undocumented and illegal with rights

    A couple of example:
    I believe that in NY state, illegals can get a driver's license, therefore, they can drive.
    When I stay in TN for the company I own, invested in, and received the documents legally for the next 5 years, I cannot have a driver's license, therefore I cannot drive. It's one of my US citizen employee that pick me up in the morning to go to work...
    See? I'm in #1 category here :D
    Oh, also, I can't get a phone, a SSN, a loan, an insurance, a credit card, a job, go to school, well...you name it...I must pay taxes though...yahoooo...
     
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  9. bogart

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    #169
    Illegals can pretty much do want that want. Good article about this "No laws broken as illegal immigrants obtain loans, buy homes"

    http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2007/09/18/quietly_living_american_dream/

    Although they lack legal residency, the immigrants find ways to build credit and buy homes: They take jobs, pay bills, open bank accounts, and sign up for credit cards. Many even file tax returns each year using their real names, addresses, and identification numbers issued by the Internal Revenue Service. The IRS generally does not share the information with federal immigration agents.

    Nothing in federal law prohibits illegal immigrants from owning homes. And banks can legally accept passports, tax identification numbers, and consular cards from people who want to open bank accounts or get home loans, according to the Comptroller of the Currency, a bureau of the US Treasury that regulates national banks.
     
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  10. Codythebest

    Codythebest Notable Member

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    #170
    I couldn't open a bank account legally!
    I had to ask a friend, working in a bank, to do it "on the side"...

    That's exactly why I said that the US goverment is "making" illegals people. I had to ask somebody to do something somewhat "illegal" to be able to pay my US citizen employees with cashier checks, instead of cash (and for the company convenience of course). I could also "buy" a fake driver's license, or a fake SSN...( I didn't go that far though )

    I believe that half of the illegal immigrants have become illegals because of the US government, for whatever reason...

    Again, I have all the necessary fully legal paperworks for the US since a while now. But since the "war on terror", a foreigner is a foreigner, and is a (potential) threat. Period.
     
    Codythebest, Dec 25, 2007 IP
  11. bogart

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    #171
    You must be doing something wrong. Around here you can open a bank account with a passport.

    You probably need to set up a corporation to conduct your business. Look into that.
     
    bogart, Dec 25, 2007 IP
  12. Will.Spencer

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    #172
    I've tried to do the same with some non-US friends of mine.

    The banks all refused to open an account without an SSN.

    I just checked with WellsFargo and here's what they require:

    Information you'll need for each applicant:

    * Social Security Number
    * Driver's license number, state and expiration date
    * Date of Birth
    * Employer name and work phone number
    * Telephone numbers
    * Current home address (and previous address if less than three years at current address)

    Here's the Bank of America version:

    What information will I need to apply?

    * Social Security Number
    * Credit card, debit card, or bank account number <-- HOW INSANE IS THAT???
    * Current email address
    * Online Banking ID and passcode (if applicable)
    * Co-applicant's personal information (if applicable — Social Security number, home address, and email address)
     
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    #173
    Immigration used not to be a problem when the vast majority of immigrants were white europeans.
    Now suddenly, when the majority of immigrants to the US are brown people (mexican, indian, etc..), immigration has now become a 'crisis'.
     
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    #174
    You need to check with some illegal aliens. Your probably not following the right steps. However, the rules are not uniform throughout the united states.

     
    bogart, Dec 25, 2007 IP
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    #175
    The US has a system of LEGAL IMMIGRATION that allows 1 million immigrants a year.

    How many immigrants does the country that you live in allow?
     
    bogart, Dec 25, 2007 IP
  16. Codythebest

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    #176
    The LLC has been set up at the very first place. However, without a SSN, I couldn't get the business license.
    So, the US allow a foreigner to set a corporation but keeping him out of the picture!!

    Bottom line, the immigration problem in the US MUST be fixed at the source, within the embassies. They should say: "you want to buy a business, or create one and jobs? The answer is no. Just stay home"
    Instead, they say there is no problem, we can pour your money in the US and just go. Once done, you're stuck...and mostly f****ked up...
    That's not correct.
     
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    #177
    Maybe you should have stayed asleep Rip Van Winkle. :rolleyes:
     
    guerilla, Dec 25, 2007 IP
  18. bogart

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    #178
    A LLC is not a corporation. A LLC (limited liability company) with one member may be treated as a disregarded entity, so the member is often singled-out as a person performing the actions of the LLC.
     
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  19. Codythebest

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    #179
    OK but it's not a good reason to act that way.
    So, getting back on topic, people, especially inside the US, paticulary US citizens (with little knowledge of US immigration if any - because they don't need to) have to understand the differences between fully legal immigrants with no rights whatsoever and illegal immigrants (with no rights obviously).
    They are in the same level...
     
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  20. bogart

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    #180
    If someone has a permanent legal resident they will have a social security number.

    Now if they person is on a visa then that is another story. Not everyone that enter that US on a visa is an immigrant.
     
    bogart, Dec 25, 2007 IP