Not a single issue candidate. Civil disobedience comes at a cost these days. Jail time and tazering. Possibly being declared a domestic terrorist, and sent out of the cuntry for extraordinary Rendition, or to a black site for "enhanced interrogation:. You're missing something with your Jefferson quote. Immigration on this scale wasn't an issue in his time. Neither was a welfare state. And Jefferson was big on a nation of laws, not men. The existing laws are not being maintained. It's like your nonsense on Free Trade. I see you posting about Freedom, but not the state systems that tip freedom towards inequitable ways. When you get a comprehensive philosophy, I'll pay attention.
Yep, he's wrong on a whole range of issues. Submission to unjust laws has it's own cost -- your soul. You pick which cost you are more willing to pay. Please reread the quote. Jefferson didn't mention "immigration" in the quote, he was speaking of larger issues -- malum per se vs. malum juris. Tsk tsk tsk... always making personal attacks and bad talking about things you don't understand. Let's not take the conversation to that level, OK? I am fully capable of being just as childish and rude as you are. And, in fact, I rather enjoy it. However, it does not accomplish a sensible goal. Don't knock what you don't understand. If you have a specific complaint, please air it. If you just want to spew mindless negativity, you're just wasting your time.
Illegal aliens are increasing by 500,000 per year. I don't see the sense in bringing in $5 an hour car washers ao that the government can support their families. Immigration makes the country great when the immigrants are skilled labor, high tech professionals, investors and other skilled people that the country requires.
It wasn't a personal attack. I was calling your comments nonsense. Enough with the battered wife syndrome already.
Most of the illegal aliens are good people and hard workers. It's not against them. The question is for how long can the US continue to accept 500,000 illegal aliens a year in addition to 1 million legal immigrants and pick up the tab. You can't escape that the fact that in 2006 alone illegal aliens sent home $45 billion in remittances back to their countries of origin. That's 45 billion per year drained from the US economy. Economic costs of legal and illegal immigration "Business interests however are short-term. Easy immediate access to labour will always be preferred to the costs of training and capital investment for the longer term. In the nature of economic cycles, yesterday's essential labour can often become, as the defunct factories and mills of Europe have shown, today's unemployed. Employers who demanded immigrant labour are not held to account for this or required to contribute to subsequent costs of their unemployed former workers. Few things are more permanent that temporary worker from a poor country. If business were made responsible for the lifetime costs of their migrant labour in the same way as they must now deal with the lifetime environmental costs of their products, perhaps enthusiasm for labour migration might be moderated and make way for longer-term investment in capital-intensive restructuring" An estimated 1,880,000 American workers are displaced from their jobs every year by immigration; the cost for providing welfare and assistance to these Americans is over $15 billion a year The National Research Council, part of the National Academy of Sciences, found in 1997 that the average immigrant without a high school education imposes a net fiscal burden on public coffers of $89,000 during the course of his or her lifetime. The average immigrant with only a high school education creates a lifetime fiscal burden of $31,000. Illegal aliens have cost billions of taxpayer-funded dollars for medical services. Dozens of hospitals in Texas, New Mexico Arizona, and California, have been forced to close or face bankruptcy because of federally-mandated programs requiring free emergency room services to illegal aliens. Taxpayers pay half-a-billion dollars per year incarcerating illegal alien criminals. http://www.cairco.org/econ/econ.html
The craziness of the immigration debate is something else. Who here has a plan to quickly identify 12 million illegal immigrants and deport them? If so please publish it and explain it to us. If someone can accomplish that--they can also figure out how to enforce laws about illegal immigration that have been on the books for 20 years and through a slew of administrations and simply haven't been enforced. Pat Buchanon has wanted a White/European (probably Irish--maybe Irish English--maybe Catholic Irish) dominant culture in America for decades. Its convenient for him that there is a raging immigration debate going on now. Of interest all ethnic groups that have come to the this nation and this land before there was a nation have sent money back to their homelands. That includes legal and illegal immigrants. My grandparents were immigrants and did that as did the rest of their relatives. Whether illegal or legal so long as there is immigration money will flow across borders to native lands. That outflow has nothing to do with illegal immigrants. I would like to see some combination of enforceable laws (that would be a switch after 20 years) with efforts to protect the country against potential terrorists. As to illegal immigrants that are here.....how you going to identify them, round em up and deport them, when we haven't been able to enforce simpler laws for 20+ years. I got an idea. Spend more on govt.
If you can't deport anyone ... immigration laws are useless. Illegals will deport themselves if they can't find work. Simple as that. Eisenhower had a plan that worked http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1663116/posts .
So stop the idiotic government programs. You don't have to help anyone. All that is morally required is that you not go out of your way to hurt your fellow human beings -- unnecessarily. Immigrants create a larger economy. This larger economy means more jobs. Those jobs include unskilled labor, skilled labor, and white collar jobs. If the immigrants take the worst jobs, they force the better jobs to be filled by the pre-existing residents and citizens. Yay! I not only get 39 cent tacos -- I get a better job too! Thank you. Exactly. Only a completely insane system would "pick up the tab" for immigrants. $45B that they earned. I concur. Our existing laws affect only people who are not willing to break the law in order to create a better life for their families. What sane person does that statement represent? Exactly -- except for the idiocy of our current welfare state.
Mexico has a double standard in regards to Immigration 1. If you migrate to this county, you must speak the native language 2. You have to be a professional or an investor. No unskilled workers allowed. 3. There will be no special bilingual programs in the schools, no special ballots for elections, all government business will be conducted in our language. 4. Foreigners will NOT have the right to vote no matter how long they are here. 5 Foreigners will NEVER be able to hold political office. 6. Foreigners will not be a burden to the taxpayers. No welfare, no food stamps, no health care, or other government assistance programs. 7. Foreigners can invest in this country, but it must be an amount equal to 40,000 times the daily minimum wage. 8. If foreigners do come and want to buy land that will be okay, BUT options will be restricted. You are not allowed waterfront property. That is reserved for citizens naturally born into this country. 9. Foreigners may not protest; no demonstrations, no waving a foreign flag, no political organizing, no badmouthing our president or his policies, if you do you will be sent home. 10. If you do come to this country illegally, you will be hunted down and sent straight to jail. Only about .5% of Mexico’s 105 million people are foreign-born naturalized citizens, in contrast with the 13% of foreign-born citizens in the U.S. And Mexico grants citizenship to only about 3,000 people a year, compared to the United States, which grants citizenship to an average of almost a half a million people each year.
Mexico is a pit because we let them have it both ways. They get NAFTA, remittances , jobs and immigration to the US. They are allowed to paly the nationalism anti-gringo card and do what they want. It was a big controvey for Mexico that Nation Guard was placed on the US border when Mexico has troops on theirs. It's time that Mexico open up for Americans and not just retirees that spend $1500+ a month down there.
Mexico is a pit because they have a bad government. That has nothing to do with us. It's not our fault that Mexico is a pit. I don't really care about Mexico's policies. I wrote them off as a potential retirement destination because of their governments and I never looked back.
It's time that they stop being a 'pit' and open up for americans. They've gotten 30+ years of illegal immigation and 15 years of NAFTA. Once the US starts to crack down on illegal immigration and stops subsidizing the 'pit' we will see some change down there.
I fail to see why the idiotic policies of one of our Southern neighbors should motivate us to copy those same idiotic policies. Those policies made Mexico the pit that it is -- we don't want to copy them!
Who wants to copy them. We are enabling the Mexican Gov. and the 'south of the border' ruling class because we are giving them a free ride with illegal immigartion.
The US allows 1 million legal immigrants a year. The US Congress and President can increase the number of legal immigrants if they choose. Illegal immigration is illegal and there are laws that need to be enforced.
As long as they find jobs (or start businesses) to support themselves, I really don't care how many people choose to join our happy band of rebels. We should drop all laws against peaceful immigration and turn these banditos into legitimate taxpayers. Instead of working so hard to keep them out of the system, we should welcome them in and ask them to help us improve the system. We have no workable alternative plan to increase our work force enough to cover the costs of the baby-boomer retirees which we have committing ourselves and our children to bearing. A massive influx of new taxpayers is about the only possible solution to "saving" our poorly designed social security system.
I have a workable alternative plan to increase the workforce. It's called be fruitful and multiply. Again the US has a system of Legal Immigration and admits 1 million legal immigrants a year The US should choose who it accepts not who happens to sneak in.
Everybody talk about immigration... But I always, and still, wonder if they talk about people with no rights whatsoever who are undocumented and try to work and drive or people with no rights whatsoever who are fully legally documented and try to work and drive... The second ones become illegals because the US government makes them so.