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I'm officially boycotting Israeli products

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by amanamission, Jan 6, 2009.

  1. N_F_S

    N_F_S Active Member

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    #61
    Doesn anyone think that its possible to live in peace in that region? I think its impossible.
     
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  2. elenojo

    elenojo Peon

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    #62
    You boycott Israeli products, you will hurt everybody, not only including some innocent Israeli
    businessmen (who could also probably not be in favor of the war) but also your fellowmen
    who could otherwise have been making good business on popular Israeli products. Why don't
    everybody just be merciful and compassionate towards everyone, both the Israelites and
    Palestinians, instead of being all the time too selfish and too greedy to grab and possess
    that which, in the first place, does not belong to him. And don't forget about the import
    revenue that your government earns from the entry of Israeli products into your country.
     
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  3. kentuckyslone

    kentuckyslone Notable Member

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    #63

    That is true and a good point to make. For example - While I dislike McDonald's and wouldnt recommend that anyone eat there (at least not often) if you boycott them you will hurt the kids who work there much more than you would the company itself.
     
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  4. pingpong123

    pingpong123 Well-Known Member

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    Yea they did, and I think that casinos would really help gaza also but then again alot of people are saying its against muslim law, but i would rather have that then suicide bombings which are also against muslim law.
     
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  5. trocobob

    trocobob Banned

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    #65
    I share the same opinion , as still exisite occupation and Injustic , it will be no possibility to live in peace in this region .
     
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  6. TheSyndicate

    TheSyndicate Prominent Member

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    #66
    right and how about products from CHINA? Killing people from TIBET is not a crime? Right noo they are not muslim so they are ok to kill or what? Try not buying anything from China for a week LOL.

    How about India for hitting the Tibet people? And Japan for killing whales?

    Just stop eating ok!

    Its just BS all of it when Muslim are attack you all scream for blod when usa was attacked by BL then you jumped of joy. Then you asked a muslim no no i do not like BL.

    Same with Isarel they have no right to kill 1000 of Muslim for 6 jews.
     
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  7. Polite teen

    Polite teen Guest

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    #67

    The idea is to do as much effort as you can to discepline the criminals.

    Can you tell us about the countries that made crimes as Israel did?

    I am ready to keep myself away from their products.
     
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  8. mercuryyy

    mercuryyy Well-Known Member

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    #68
    I live In ISRAEL, a bit faw from the danger zone.

    You must try to understand, your sitting right now infront of your computor reading this and speaking your mind FREELY.

    That freedom is provided to you by your goverment, What if your next door country will decied to bomb your cities every day.

    Will your goverment sit back and let your freedom DIE

    Hamas soul goal is to bring down the Israeli country, they are primitive and think that by bombing our cities they can reach that goal.

    No Goverment or United Nation can tell another Independed Legal and demecratic Country that they cant defend themselfs agenst terroriest or any other Body or oganizations that seeks there destraction.

    Further addo hamas is using his own women and chilldren to protect it self, hiding in schools and lunching rockets from UN shelters. What kind of so called goverment is that ? were is your arab honner that you proudly speek of.
     
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  9. slinky

    slinky Banned

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    #69
    ITF Man... I worry about all these teenagers who don't take 5 minutes to read about what is going on. All they scream is "horrible! I'm boycotting Israel!" Do ANY of you guys boycott the countries in the Middle East where terror has come from? Do you even know who is responsible for 9/11?

    Let's start with history of the problem. In the early 20th century Iran, Iraq and the Arab nations booted almost 1 million Jews out of their lands, took their property, and Jews don't have rights. There was a little thing called "the Holocaust" which saw the rise of Hitler and El Mufti and was responsible for the murder of millions of innocent people... not just Jews. The size of the lands of Arab Nations are hundreds the times the size of Israel. Now where are those Jews supposed to go? Nobody wants to solve that problem. The only place Jews can live in the Middle East is in Israel. The UN won't open it's mouth about this injustice and the oil rich countries will make sure of that.

    Now let's talk about the Palestinians. There was no more a country of Palestine than there was a Narnia. It was a region of many, many years ago. Jerusalem, where Solomon's temple was built, means a great deal to the Jews. Jerusalem was never even mentioned in the Koran. The importance of Jerusalem and Israel is primarily of the Jews and Christians. But hey, this is history. Let's talk about the people. Were Arab people living in Israel? Yes, there were and are. Yes, most of us are caring human beings not blind to those facts. So many of them want to live in the same area too - seems like nothing wrong with that, right? No, there isn't. But it's also not that simple.

    How about this solution? The Palestinians can live in Iran, Iraq or anywhere else - heck, perhaps they should be given all the land confiscated from the Jews! The Palestinians would do even better with that deal! But the Arab nations will never do this. The land taken from the Jews will never return. In fact, they don't want the Palestinians in their land at all didn't even accept the refugees from this "attack", no matter how needy. Remarkable that the UN and others don't talk about that problem either - the UN is a joke.

    There's another unfortunate problem and misconception. Not all Palestinians are the bloodthirsty mob that the news shows daily which is controlled by 'Hamas' - a known open terrorist organization. The name "Hamas" itself means "violence." It does not mean "pretty tulips on the plains." But before Hamas there was the "Palestinian spokesman" - Yassir Arafat, who began a propogandist movement decades ago with one goal - as stated by Arafat himself and within his "Palestinian Liberation Organization" charter - the destruction of Israel. That could be done with terror and economically - overrun the land with children whose welfare would be the problem of others. Disturbing eh? Well, it's right out there in the open.

    Did Arafat really care about his people? Perhaps a little in the beginning, I don't know. But we do know this. He stole BILLIONS from the poor Palestinians. Forbes ranked this penniless "freedom fighter" as one of the wealthiest billionaires. So when you saw all these pictures of poor Palestinians, why didn't they get their aid? The Israelis? Hah. Because like the Ponzi schemes in the US, Arafat cared more about his own amassing fortune than he did about his own people. Arafat had a chance to sign off on peace with President Clinton - but blew it all off. He wasn't interested in peace - he was interested in just continuing to fuel the fire forever, piling up money into his own pockets at the expense of thousands of people who could have had peace.

    Now here's another problem, which is how Hamas got elected in the first place. What peace loving Palestinian is going to stand up and try to make peace when you have ski-mask wearing guerrilas like Hamas willing to kill them? It's not like the Jews and Israelis and people don't understand this. Why on earth is Hamas firing in THOUSANDS of rockets into Israel with NO PROVOCATION? Because these people don't want peace. And until SOMEONE can stand up to them and root them out, there won't be peace. Perhaps the US would have been better spending resources rooting out this terrorism and having brokered a better arrangement then going into Iraq and doing what? (More corruption - the hiring of Blackwater and other private groups that are related in some fashion to our politicians.)

    Heck, this issue isn't easy. It's the same as US health care and our economy. Our government should be putting aside it's pork barrelling and figuring out a way to help so many unemployed Americans. Instead, they are bickering over how to best divvy up the trillion dollar bailout to send to their own private interest groups! Hey, lets all grab whatever little is remaining for ourselves!

    We live in difficult times. Anyone who says they are 'boycotting' Israel because of this obviously hasn't spent 2 minutes to even begin to try to understand the problems nor read about the 3,000+ missles shot at civilians. Americans just like to have it all in a 30 second vignette and make their decisions. How about boycotting every product by every registered republican?

    If it isn't bad enough, I'm getting anti-semitic attacks here on Digital Point for no other reason than I'm Jewish. It's not in Jewish culture to do this. All I can do is hope that people here will stop shooting their mouths off and try to take more time to learn before they do something drastic.

    So what does it come down to? Whether we really are a group of Darwinist animals. Whether it's all about survival of the fittest and the weaker be damned, despite our supposed "intelligence" and concern and respect for other life forms. I can only hope and pray that we somehow find ways to make the world move towards a better place where we can move towards the greater good.
     
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  10. pingpong123

    pingpong123 Well-Known Member

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    Its interesting since the israeli government helped to create and grow hamas and helped to fund it also and this was also stated by the former US ambassador to an isreali group that is for peace between israel and the palestinians.

    Slinky, so why dont you start a revolution also to get the native americans their land back. You just cant go back 100000000 years and say this was my land and that was my land. What matters is who lived there in the present, and will there be fairness between the 2 people there now.

    http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2002/2902isr_hamas.html

    [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]Israeli Roots of Hamas Are Being Exposed[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular][SIZE=-1]by Dean Andromidas[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular][SIZE=-1]Speaking in Jerusalem Dec. 20, U.S. Ambassador to Israel Daniel Kurtzer made the connection between the growth of the Islamic fundamentalist groups Hamas and Islamic Jihad, and Israel's promotion of the Islamic movement as a counter to the Palestinian nationalist movement. Kurtzer's comments come very close to EIR's own presentation of the evidence of Israel's instrumental role in establishing Hamas, and its ongoing control of that organization.[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular][SIZE=-1]Kurtzer said that the growth of the Islamic movement in the Palestinian territories in recent decades—"with the tacit support of Israel"—was "not totally unrelated" to the emergence of Hamas and Islamic Jihad and their terrorist attacks against Israel. Kurtzer explained that during the 1980s, when the Islamic movement began to flourish in the West Bank and Gaza, "Israel perceived it to be better to have people turning toward religion rather than toward a nationalistic cause [the Palestinian Liberation Organization—ed.]." It therefore did little to stop the flow of money to mosques and other religious institutions, rather than to schools.[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular][SIZE=-1]According to the Dec. 21 Israeli daily Ha'aretz, Kurtzer made these extraordinary statements at a seminar on religion and politics sponsored by Oz V'Shalom-Netivot Shalom, a largely Anglo-American organization that promotes peace between Israelis and Palestinians. Rabbi Dr. Aharon Lichtenstein, the head of Har Etzion Yeshiva in Alon Shvut, who is an active advocate of a just regional peace, also spoke. Kurtzer said that as a result of the growth of Islam at the expense of education, there are now Palestinians who are "determined terrorists that use religious beliefs in a perverted way to appeal to the masses."[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular][SIZE=-1]Kurtzer said that cultural and religious interaction is potentially a way to "build bridges." But instead, "the perverted use of religion in the region is today becoming one of the great challenges for the years ahead." He said that there is no "inherent component" in Islam that advocates violence. But one of the five principles of Islam, jihad—resistance—"in classic religious associations connotes religious belief and fervor, not violence." But extremists have distorted the meaning of jihad, so it now has a connotation of violence in the service of a religious purpose.[/SIZE][/FONT]


    [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]The Enemy of My Enemy Is My Friend

    [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular][SIZE=-1]This statement is extraordinary given the fact that Kurtzer is a very senior diplomat, having held the post of Ambassador to Egypt just prior to going on to Tel Aviv. He is also an Orthodox Jew who is not shy of criticizing the extreme anti-Israeli and anti-Semitic views held by certain Arab circles. But Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon rarely grants the United States' highest representative in Israel an official audience.[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular][SIZE=-1]The ambassador's comments are an acknowledgment of what any serious Middle East observers knows: Hamas has always been seen as a tool by which Israel could undermine the nationalist movement led by Palestinian Authority [/SIZE][/FONT]
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  11. iggysick

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    lol here we go again with selective history!
    Do you think that people are idiots and can't google some info about history in ME and everyone will just buy your fairy tales? :D
     
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  12. slinky

    slinky Banned

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    #72
    Sure - go to Wikipedia and look up "Palestine." There never was a country called Palestine. For centuries it was merely a region. This may shock people here at how widespread the like about "freeing Palestine." Sure as heck fooled a LOT of people.

    Why don't you tell your Hamas friends to start shooting rockets into Jordan, Lebanon and Syria? No Jews to kill there?

    Palestine is a name which has been widely used since Roman times to refer to the region between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River.[1] In its broader meaning as a geographical term, Palestine can refer to an area that includes contemporary Israel and the Palestinian territories, parts of Jordan, and parts of Lebanon and Syria.[1][2]
     
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    wiki is not worthy of any reference, wikipedia has zero credibility when it comes to disputed topics, anyone can mend it the way they want

    But isn't it the isreasli business man who elected their terror spreading govt ? ( just like people of gaza are responsible for electing hamas)
     
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  14. slinky

    slinky Banned

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    #74
    (1) Look up Palestine in the Encyclopedia Britannica, wherever you want. There never was any country called Palestine. It's a 20th century creation made popular by Yassir Arafat and his crusade. It's just fact that has become obfuscated.

    (2) What are you talking about "terror spreading government?" Did you take the "learn about Israel in 10 seconds" course? Evidently you have zero attention span. The entire conflict revolves around those Arabs that want peace and those Arabs who don't want peace. For the past DECADES, thousands of Israelis have died as a result of terrorist attacks you haven't bothered to even read about. Go Google them. Horrible things like suicide bombers walking into crowded malls, weddings, beaches, city buses - just to blow up innocent Jews, which have also included Christians and even sometimes other Palestinians. The suicide bombers consist of women and children. Palestinian families have been given thousands of dollars and their dead children hailed as martyrs. Yes, read about it. No, not all Palestinians think this way.

    Hamas and the other militant Arab Muslim extremists, see also "the Taliban", don't have peace in mind. It's their way or the highway. So for the past decades these terrorists (with various names) have not stopped the attacks. Recently there was an election for government for the Palestinians. They were screwed both ways.

    (1) Elect a corrupt group that supported Yassir Arafat - the corrupt "freedom fighter" who screwed his own people by stealing billions from them.

    (2) Elect the militant terrorist group Hamas, who call for the destruction of Israel - they aren't looking for peace. They wear those ski masks? You know? This group has absolutely has no interest in peace. Their own NAME means "VIOLENCE!!!!" Think of them as "The Taliban." That should help.

    Thus, the Palestinians are between a rock and a hard place. It ain't America!!!! You mouth off against Hamas you can get killed and nobody will do anything about it. The reason why Bush and many other elected officials were saying the Palestinians are left to their own fate is because they picked the worst of two evils - Hamas, a group dedicated to killing Jews and destroying Israel. Over the past century almost one million jews were expelled from the Arab nations - Iran, Iraq, etc. and Jews don't have rights and are "Dhimmi." Perhaps this is before you were born or you just didn't know this. Thus, these nations have no interest in stopping terrorist movements or funding against Jews and Israel.

    Now that you have the basics, take 2 hours and read about the problem. It's not simple. The Israelis have not and do not commit suicide bombings. This is the mentality of Hamas and the other groups like them that has occurred for decades. There is no single voice for the Arabs and Palestinians who will shut down this extreme Muslim movement hell bent on wiping out the Jews and Israel. If you go to Israel you'll see that every large area, store, etc. has security to determine whether the Arab who walks in might be carrying a bomb. So who is "friend" and who is "terrorist?"

    Until the entire Arab Nations are completely committed to wiping out the extremist movement, there will never be peace. The Palestinians who want peace are stuck between a rock and a hard place. The Israelis have no choice but to keep firing back against these militants who launched over 3,000 missles into Israel since the year 2000. If someone did that to you, what are you left to do?
     
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    #76
    I've already started boycotting weeks ago.

    BTW, Hezb Allah "Lebanon" fired 4000 Qassam Missiles @ Israel during the 2006 Leb-Israel war, They only killed 40-50 People !!! (100 Missiles/Person)

    Hamas fired 300 Missiles since the beginning of the attack, they only killed 10-15 Israelis and injured some (Soldiers).

    Israel killed more than 600 Palestenians and injured more than 4000, AT LEAST 50% of the total are Children & Women ...

    The Qassam Missiles are hand made, they are barely killing people !!
     
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    #77
    If that's the way you think (Which side has less casualties is the evil one) then you're insane.

    Hezbollah shot rockets into Israel. When that happens, there's an alarm which gives the civilians time to hide. That's why not a lot of people die - Not because the Hezbollah doesn't want to kill civilians (And I'll say this again - CIVILIANS) but because there's an alarm which saves them. Same thing goes to Hamas.

    You need to look at a different statistic - How many rockets were fired by Hamas from 2000 to 2008 (Yes, that long, even before Google was created), and also look at the fact that Hezbollah is a terrorist organization who just kidnapped and attacked Israeli soldiers. They're from Lebanon - no excuses of "free our land" shit there, Israel left Lebanon years ago.

    Don't forget to verify your facts, even the UN and Hamas said 25% of the casualties in the last assault were civilians. Check another fact while you're at it - Hamas aims for civilians purposely, making it 100% civilian hits with Hamas and 25% (lets even say 75% to support your propaganda) civilian hits to Israel. That still means Hamas wants to hurt more innocent people.
     
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    #78
    There were no also US but as I can see today there is country called US. Is there any time limit to form new nations and countries? :rolleyes:
     
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    There was no Israel and now I can see Israel. Your point?
     
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    #80
    Both you and slinky claims that there can't be Palestinian state because there were any Palestine state in history. If one group of people, like mostly ex-europeans, are allowed to form new nation, americans, and new country, US, why can't other group of people do the same?
     
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