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Im noticing something else besides the PR update...

Discussion in 'Google' started by joeychgo, Jul 13, 2006.

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    Im noticing something else besides the PR update...

    - Some pages PR has changed, despite the pages not being indexed.

    As an example....
    Making Money with your vBulletin Forum: Selling Text Links
    This was a PR 6, now its a PR5, but its not indexed. Further, it has 155 backlinks.

    Same deal here: Choosing a Domain Name for your Forum - Also was a 6, now a 5. Also has backlinks, but is not cached.

    Our forumhome page vBulletin Forum had no PR, but now has a 6 - yet, is also not cached, and once again, has backlinks.

    Something else I have noticed.... Cache dates dont seem right to me. http://www.w3.org/ is a PR 10 - but look at its cache date... 6 days ago. Unusually long for a PR10.

    I am not sure what all this means yet, but clearly something is very strange.
     
    joeychgo, Jul 13, 2006 IP
  2. tflight

    tflight Peon

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    I think that is probably because of this meta-tag they have.

    <meta name="robots" content="noarchive">
    HTML:
     
    tflight, Jul 13, 2006 IP
  3. Roman

    Roman Buffalo Tamerâ„¢

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    I'm noticing something too, a pretty big stench comming from Mountain View CA.....




    .....and I live in Canada.
     
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  4. Cristian Mezei

    Cristian Mezei Notable Member

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    Tflight My ideea to ..

    They have the noarchive bit.
     
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  5. joeychgo

    joeychgo Notable Member

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    Yeah - I just caught that.... But the rest is something to talk about.
     
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  6. joeychgo

    joeychgo Notable Member

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    Oh, Im sure its all part of a variety of other problems - But its interesting that uncached pages receive pr changes and backlinks. It just adds to the symptoms of a massive problem with Google.
     
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  7. Cristian Mezei

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    Joey, My take on this is that 50% of the websites in this forum have indexing problems ..

    One concrete example with one of my websites. It's a really known IT news website.

    It has 880 pages or so. It used to have 50.000.

    If a page is not indexed, I don't know ... Does Google still take it into account when establishing IBLs ?
     
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  8. Phynder

    Phynder Well-Known Member

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    I am noticing a slight (golly, just 30 extra) change in backlinks being reported by Google for one of my sites. Not seeing a backlink update on all the sites I am looking at, but certainly for one.
     
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  9. joeychgo

    joeychgo Notable Member

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    My guess is no. But who the hell knows whats really indexed and what isnt. Do IBLs from supplementals count? The site: command is broke, along with many other parts of Google.
     
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  10. Cristian Mezei

    Cristian Mezei Notable Member

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    I would definitely take what's given to my now, without worring what could have been.

    At least for a few months, until hopefully Google fixes some stuff.
     
    Cristian Mezei, Jul 13, 2006 IP
  11. cmeinck

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    I've noticed a big jump in backlinks for a competitor - something like 4500 or so, while my site went from 1250 to 874. Is the link:www.mysite.com useless or does it carry weight? A large portion of those backlinks appear to be internal and even vBulletin user profiles.

    Thanks for your advice.
     
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  12. blueuniverse

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    I'm noticing similar stuff at my end, whilst I did have about 80 or so results that weren't in supplemental, absolutely everything is there now despite my main page being a PR5 and despite it having a few hundred backlinks.

    I guess, it's encouraging just to see some change.
     
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  13. MN Sandy

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    It's very interesting to be honest, does it means, deindexed sites dont rank but still have PR populated;

    next thing - is we can then use this to our benefit or hwo google knows the PR especially if the pages are linked differently?

    or maybe it is to mess up SEO-ers ??? (very interesting move then) as it makes for stupid guys link and link with bad sites and then google simply gets hands on them by checking the patterns of bad neibourhoud linking;
     
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  14. thilak

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    yes, it happens sometimes
     
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    I think we may have had a corrective update for backlinks, too. My site went from ~1700 to ~500 to ~173, and in this update, exactly 500. I know that there should be more, but I definitely was getting screwed with the 173.

    I do have some links from a site that went supplemental - it shows one page in a site: command. I show 2 links from that site before the "Repeat the search with omitted results" link. The backlinks for my site also go supplemental now. I also noticed that during the update, it was 47 links, now it is 37 when the "Repeat..." link shows up.

    As far as what is indexed and what is not, I am still trying to prove that even with the proper precautions, a 302 redirect can still cause ranking fluctuations - drops and gains over a few days - even if it does straighten out eventually. But with all the other problems Google has, the data I have is not trustworthy.

    Even non-webmasters are noticing.
    Note: I thought I was posting this in the PR update thread... I guess this thread got merged and unmerged. Must be something in the water out in California...
     
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    Personally I dont understand why they commit to a bugged algorithm the work of fight the newSpamNetworks when they could delete them manually with better results...
     
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  17. Correctus

    Correctus Straight Edge

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    The PR update first of all is not complete, there are going to be corrections I am sure and the second stage of PR Increment is yet to be done, which is the increment of PR in old sites

    IT
     
    Correctus, Jul 15, 2006 IP
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    what is IBL ???
     
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  19. -Abhishek-

    -Abhishek- Regaining my Momentum!

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    IBL - Inbound Links!

    Well this PR update has shown positive results at my end!
    A few of my de-indexed sites that lost PRs and indexed pages in the past google dance seem to have regained their places! One of them shot to a whooping PR 7 :)

    Still analysing bits and pieces of probable de-indexing reasons! Will post some soon!
     
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    PR7 - good job.

    Pardon my ignorance, but what exactly is meant by 'supplemental' pages as referenced above?
     
    heinlein99, Jul 16, 2006 IP