Ignorant Wikileaks Hackers Take Down Visa/Mastercard Site....

Oh goody! I wonder when they are going to legalize murder? I should get started now and complain about unjust laws when they come for me!

You consider IBM to be a private citizen? Just a FYI. IBM is a publicly held muti-national corporation that competes with a variety of other publicly held mutli national corporations, each in an effort to further the interests of their stock holders. If you cant see the parallel between exposing the secrets of a government and exposing the secrets of a corporation, perhaps it is you that is being dishonest with yourself. Stupid is not a word I would use in application to either you or Will, so I don't know why you would bring it up.

 

I concur. Julian's actions may not have been illegal. They are nonetheless immoral.

A thief doesn't have the moral right to judge the owners of the property he is stealing. If the American voters wanted their secrets to be made public, they have procedures to make them public. The United States has FOIA laws and sunshine laws and the ability to make new laws as the people demand. The American people didn't do that -- a few thieves stole the American people right to make those decisions. They appropriated the rights of the American people to themselves. They violated the right of the American people to control their own property.

 

Receiving stolen property is against the law, Treason, espionage, inciting terrorist acts is against the law... They need to ship this scumbag to Afghanistan so he can face charges for the people he put in danger.

 

The wheels of justice grind slowly. I don't think the Hezbollah terrorist cell that was broken up in Philadelphia last year has resulted in any convictions yet. That case involved the Iranian government printing U.S. currency and distributing it through Hezbollah.

 

lol I don't have a problem with that, as long as they grind...

 

Nice Avatar, Peoples SEO. How many names need to be on his ignore list before we can legitimately call him ignorant.

 

Wow, it took me this long to notice that ignore and ignorant share the same root word.

 

Don't feel bad. I spend a lot of time at home, contemplating deep thoughts, like Jack Handy.

 

Like I said I don't care if something's against the law because it doesn't make it automatically wrong. Now my last question in this thread is, If someone had leaked information that the SS was murdering Jews to the world press, including names of responsible generals, would you call it morally wrong and call for capital punishment for that person? I guess this argument would still hold?

If the Germans wanted their secrets to be made public, they have procedures to make them public. The German people didn't do that -- a few thieves stole the German peoples right to make those decisions. They appropriated the rights of the German people to themselves. They violated the right of the German people to control their own property.

 

The funny part about this is the tool they used for the attacks dont hide the kids ip adresses, and with them being stored for up to 6 months that just cant be good news for em.

 

Lol I noticed it just now . Yay I'm in a avatar ... and SP is a ignorant ass by nature .

 

how they could hack these websites so easily : ??

 

DDoS isn't technically difficult. The designers of TCP/IP didn't envision having enemy nodes on the same network. They designed against enemy threats destroying network nodes, but not against enemy threats being network nodes. Oooppsss...

 

What a wonderful attempted comparison of the US to a country that systematically committed genocide, invaded and occupied all of its neighbors for the sake of imperialism, and fueled its war machine based on racial hatred and the concept that they were the master race. Would you mind pointing out which one of Assange's releases contained such damning evidence against the US? I would absolutely love to see it. If you really think anything Assange made public compares in any way to what was going on in Nazi Germany, you need to have your head checked.

Another FYI, since your arguments are starting to sound a bit more like something Betaturn might put together. We have Whistleblower laws in the US, to protect people who make legitimate claims from retaliation by their employers. We even have such programs set up within our Military. People who have legitimate claims of wrong doing being perpetrated by their employer or by their government(when their government is the US), have protection under the law from retaliatory acts and prosecution. The downside is, if it turns out you don't produce any legitimate evidence of wrong doing, and/or your public disclosures of private information were made for malicious purposes, you hold both civil and possibly criminal liability for the act itself.


Next time it occurs to you that the US might be in any way comparable to Nazi Germany, you might want to consider keeping it to yourself. Credibility is a precious resource. Once its gone, its gone.

 

So if i build some stealth ICBMs , load them whit biowarheads and bombard most of Continental Asia it might be a good thing ? Even thou it would violate countless laws . Right ?

Ya Hitler's regime was built on massive disagreement from the German people . They where OK whit Versailles transforming them into a nation of thieves & whores . This is why they could build dozens and dozens of SS divisions . Also by the time the extermination began it was full blown war , few things could have been done about that .

 

So long as you took out Osama Bin Laden by doing that, i'm sure the Repubs could spin that & get away with it.

 

It would take out 3 billion people but who needs them anyway . We're much better discussing how your enemies would react to my "never gonna happen" situation .

If the Take-a-Leak team wouldn't be made from 2 bit hackers whit the guts of a mouse they could have done something truly grand like killing the Golden Shield . But coding in C is for basement dwelling geeks , we can just hack into the uber-raped US servers talk to a scriptie that's inside and get him to serve us some cool stuff . Then we can act like Champions of Truth and go about making money and raping women . And to top it off we can have a army of numnutz that worship us because they never even had their own botnets .

 

Did you read what you quoted? I said something might be morally right or wrong but being against the law doesn't make it "automatically wrong". Something being against the law cannot be used as a conclusive argument in favor of it being wrong. In this case it wasn't even against the law. Some people (hint) need to read this article:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/03/AR2010120306312.html

Hope there will be no fantasy laws and fantasy crime arguments from now..

 

That guy simply isn't as creative as federal prosecutors. The people who convicted Al Capone by charging him with tax fraud and charged drug dealers for not having government stamps on their drugs are not easily evaded by their prey. They are evil sneaky bastages who other evil sneaky bastages would do well to take seriously.

 

They could as well have been charged with murdering their cat for they didn't enjoy the kind of public support Assange does. Just try these tricks on him...