lol FARC is not finished yet and really Columbians have more to do with it. and i am glad about the promise we almost lost mexico. we must make sure that the neocons can't get back in the WH even to see friends.
I believe its wrong rule. Islam doesn't say to kill anyone who Convert from Muslim to any religion http://www.islamicperspectives.com/Apostasy1.htm Thats what Islam says I believe Its my first post in this Religion and Politics Section of DP I was just amazed reading the topic and posted here
4:89 speaks about fighting those who fight you cos religion, the basic rules for it are in sura 60:8-9: 9:11-12 clearly speaks about when they broke the treaty: now tell me about these please: and many more,,, are they wrong?
I don't know how many have died by leaving islam but, I know alot have died for not being muslim. Tears of Jihad Monday, March 3, 2008 These figures are a rough estimate of the death of non-Muslims by the political act of jihad. Africa Thomas Sowell [Thomas Sowell, Race and Culture, BasicBooks, 1994, p. 188] estimates that 11 million slaves were shipped across the Atlantic and 14 million were sent to the Islamic nations of North Africa and the Middle East. For every slave captured many others died. Estimates of this collateral damage vary. The renowned missionary David Livingstone estimated that for every slave who reached a plantation, five others were killed in the initial raid or died of illness and privation on the forced march.[Woman’s Presbyterian Board of Missions, David Livingstone, p. 62, 1888] Those who were left behind were the very young, the weak, the sick and the old. These soon died since the main providers had been killed or enslaved. So, for 25 million slaves delivered to the market, we have an estimated death of about 120 million people. Islam ran the wholesale slave trade in Africa. 120 million Africans Christians The number of Christians martyred by Islam is 9 million [David B. Barrett, Todd M. Johnson, World Christian Trends AD 30-AD 2200, William Carey Library, 2001, p. 230, table 4-10] . A rough estimate by Raphael Moore in History of Asia Minor is that another 50 million died in wars by jihad. So counting the million African Christians killed in the 20th century we have: 60 million Christians Hindus Koenard Elst in Negationism in India gives an estimate of 80 million Hindus killed in the total jihad against India. [Koenard Elst, Negationism in India, Voice of India, New Delhi, 2002, pg. 34.] The country of India today is only half the size of ancient India, due to jihad. The mountains near India are called the Hindu Kush, meaning the “funeral pyre of the Hindus.†80 million Hindus Buddhists Buddhists do not keep up with the history of war. Keep in mind that in jihad only Christians and Jews were allowed to survive as dhimmis (servants to Islam); everyone else had to convert or die. Jihad killed the Buddhists in Turkey, Afghanistan, along the Silk Route, and in India. The total is roughly 10 million. [David B. Barrett, Todd M. Johnson, World Christian Trends AD 30-AD 2200, William Carey Library, 2001, p. 230, table 4-1.] 10 million Buddhists Jews Oddly enough there were not enough Jews killed in jihad to significantly affect the totals of the Great Annihilation. The jihad in Arabia was 100 percent effective, but the numbers were in the thousands, not millions. After that, the Jews submitted and became the dhimmis (servants and second class citizens) of Islam and did not have geographic political power. This gives a rough estimate of 270 million killed by jihad. That's more then all the wars put togather.
yes, you gave me such estimations before 112 million in Africa, and I think 80 million in india, and such on, but you did not give a reliable historical proof, I can estimate much larger numbers, in crusaders, India, China, Haiti, Rwanda, and many other places, and speak about the victims of Christianity, I have also shown you witness from well known person during history that contradicts what you have in your post above, one of them was Napoleon Bonaparte in case you forgot, you can search the forums for it now can you please answer my question, where these verses from old and new testaments wrong?
so where are you debunked, ckrismoney? ain't you able to continue a discussion you started, I have a very simple question, were these quotes from old and new testaments wrong?
so what? "I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." Matthew 5:17 btw Matthew is new testament.
All verses??...Pfff...About time consuming... Let's just put some examples... Qur’an 9:123 “murder them and treat them harshly†Qur’an 3.28 Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard yourselves against them, guarding carefully; and Allah makes you cautious of (retribution from) Himself; and to Allah is the eventual coming. NOTE: By ‘guarding carefully’, a Muslim should deceive the infidel. Acting as a friend is fine as long as it is to benefit the Muslim and protect Islam. Qur’an 3:56 “As for those disbelieving infidels, I will punish them with a terrible agony in this world and the next. They have no one to help or save them.†Qur’an 4.89 They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah’s way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper. Qur’an 5:51 “Muslims, do not make friends with any but your own people.†Qur’an 5:72 “They are surely infidels who say; ‘God is the Christ, the Messiah, the son of Mary.†Qur’an 8:12 cp. 8:60 “Instill terror into the hearts of the unbelieversâ€; “smite above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them†Qur’an 2:191 “...kill the disbelievers wherever we find them†Qur’an 9.33 He it is Who sent His Apostle with guidance and the religion of truth, that He might cause it to prevail over all religions. Qur’an 2:193 “And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah†Qur’an 8:71 And if they intend to act unfaithfully towards you, so indeed they acted unfaithfully towards Allah before, but He GAVE YOU MASTERY OVER THEM Qur’an 8:55 Surely the vilest of animals in Allah’s sight are those who disbelieve. Qur’an 22:19-22 “fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem†“for them (the unbelievers) garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods†Qur’an 48:13 Those who “believe not in Allah and His Messenger, He has prepared, for those who reject Allah, a Blazing Fire!†Qur’an 3:54 “‘Lord, we believe in Your revelations (the Torah and Gospels) and follow this Apostle (Jesus). Enroll us among the witnesses.’ But the Christians contrived a plot and Allah did the same; but Allah’s plot was the best.†Qur’an 8:12 “Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: ‘I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.†Qur’an 8:58 “If you apprehend treachery from any group on the part of a people (with whom you have a treaty), retaliate by breaking off (relations) with them. The infidels should not think they can bypass (Islamic law or the punishment of Allah). Surely they cannot escape.†Qur’an 8:7 “Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: ‘Wipe the infidels (non-Muslims) out to the last.’†Qur’an 8:39 “So, fight them till all opposition ends and the only religion is Islam.†Qur’an 8:59 “The infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them. They are your enemy and Allah’s enemy.†Qur’an 8:60 “Prepare against them (non-Muslims) whatever arms and cavalry you can muster that you may strike terror in the enemies of Allah (non-Muslims), and others besides them not known to you. Whatever you spend in Allah’s Cause will be repaid in full, and no wrong will be done to you.†Qur’an 8:7 “Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: ‘Wipe the infidels (non-Muslims) out to the last.’†Qur’an 4:101 “The unbelievers (non-Muslims) are your inveterate foe.†Qur’an 8:60 “Prepare against them (non-Muslims) whatever arms and cavalry you can muster that you may strike terror in the enemies of Allah (non-Muslims), and others besides them not known to you. Whatever you spend in Allah’s Cause will be repaid in full, and no wrong will be done to you.†But then again, I couldn't careless honestly. This is not my cup of tea. I'm not a believer, therefore, everyone is my friend no matter what...
you did not add a source but that does not matter I know these sites, in all the quotes above, they just picked words, I would suggest that you visit http://www.islamicity.com/QuranSearch/ and read the whole verses, the general rule always: 2:190 AND FIGHT in God's cause against those who wage war against you, but do not commit aggression-for, verily, God does not love aggressors. this is to mean that war is against who fight Muslims. and ask yourself, why there are non-Muslims in almost all Islamic countries? why Muslims protected Christian Churches in the holy lands which they ruled for more than 800 years, even at crusaders time, they were been able to destroy them easily. if you are familiar with old and new testaments can you tell me about the verses I posted? it seems debunked is not willing to answer.