If you leave Islam you have to die

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  1. Rebecca

    Rebecca Prominent Member

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    #21
    Yeah, this must be America's fault somehow...:)lol
     
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    pizzaman Active Member

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    #22
    It is bush's fault It is his responsibility. He has tried to influence iran and the result is this. And this is not the only place. He has failed all over the world..Don't hide him behind false patriotism any more. A bunch of incompetent people.
     
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    #23
    They are incompetent, I have absolutely no doubt, but to blame this on Bush and Gang is still a bit far fetch IMHO

     
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    #24
    he started with an iran that wanted to be closer to west, and was opening up. he started to implement his policies and now it is totally f--ked up. even if he was irrelevant, it is still his responsibility He should have been relevant. he has lost our interest all over the world.
     
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    #25
    Bush is also responsible for crop circles :eek:
     
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    #26
    IMHO, it's a LOT far fetched.:eek:
     
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    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    #27
    I can't agree with that, these are works of high intellectual beings......

     
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    #28
    bush is responsible for all his failures. he is the president and he is to make sure our interests are protected. he has failed all over the place. actually nothing has gone his way that i can think of, iran is just one example. return of ortega is another one that is beyond belief.
     
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    pizzaman Active Member

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    #29
    what is so far fetched . we go from point a to point b the driver is responsible for getting us there. now if we don't get to our destination then it is the drivers fault
     
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    #30
    The FARC is losing and Ortega has promised to respect private property and foreign investment.
     
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    #31
    There is no punishment for apostasy in Islamic Sharia law according to Quran and Hadith. What Iran is doing is NOT an Islamic law. Its Iranian state law falsely using Shaira's name to justify their moronic actions. And I did appose it above. The only thing family and community can do is renounce (Its dosent mean that they can seize his property and throw him out, just social bycott) that person from their circle. And thats the max punishment. Some Muftis in their ignorance have given death penalty fatwas.

    Atleast in this matter Bush has no hand in it. Its totally ignorance of Iranian Law council or whatever its called.

    This link might help you understand better. http://www.islamicperspectives.com/Apostasy1.htm
     
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    #32
    I agree somewhat with pizzaman. Iran wants to talk to us, establish closer relations, probably relations as good as they had before 1953 when we overthrew their democratically elected leader, and installed a power mad dictator on par with Saddam.

    I posted an article some time ago about Iran, and how the executive is refusing to negotiate with them, how they refuse to address any of Iran's good-faith initiatives, particularly since Iran helped us so much in Afghanistan with rooting out the Taliban, and getting the Afghanis to accept M. Karzai as the new leader.
     
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    #33
    President Bush cannot be held responsible for the laws in Iran, or any other country except the US.
     
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    #34
    people do not want to look at the result.
    He has set out to change iran. He started with a country that was more open and ready to deal with us and helped us in afganestan to a country that we see today. So his policies have failed. Why is this so hard to accept? The hard line iranianwere elected because the moderates failed to integrate iran into the rest of the world. and they failed because of bush's policy.
    It is all over the world not only iran. He has failed in most of his political objectives.
     
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    #36
    I think he pursued most of his political objectives, or at least the objectives of the PNAC/neoconservative crowd, like David Addington, Wolfowitz and Cheney.

    These were the same guys, who so emboldened by a terrified public and spineless congress, decided to go further than afghanistan and into Iraq.

    Typical of neocons, they don't consider the possibility for failure or planning.

    They thought the oil would pay for the war, that it would be a cakewalk. It's now gone on longer than WWI. It's cost over a half trillion dollars.

    Bush to me, has always been the bumbling idiot front man. You can only blame him for so much, he's a cowboy, he like to pinch girls asses, party like an animal and play golf. He's the son of an elite. These other guys are the ones with a real ideological agenda, the thinkers and planners. They make his lips move.

    People will think that by electing Obama or McCain, they will get something different, but it will be the same people standing behind the president, whispering into his ear what to say. The system is sick, changing leaders just gives us a false sense of empowerment.
     
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    #37
    My main stance on religion is there should be freedom of personal choice, you can be atheist, you can be Christian, Muslims etc and you can be free to leave the religion anytime you want.
     
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    #38
    It does not matter what he wanted to do. What is important is the result. He is responsible for the result of his policies.I think maccain should promise not to include any of these people in his admin. I had the list of them in another topic. And the pressure on bush should stay high so he don't do anything with iran. Neocons must be exposed so they lose their political influence. they are incompetent that have not been right about anything.
     
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    #39
    This is just insane :s
     
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    #40
    The war in the Phillipines went on from February 4, 1899 to July 4, 1902 with 4,234 US dead. The conflict continued with The Moro Wars (1902-1913)
     
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