If you had someone to SEO full-time on your sites...

Discussion in 'Search Engine Optimization' started by Frantik, Jan 20, 2009.

  1. #1
    I'll soon be hiring a junior-SEO to help optimize a network of websites that I manage. Initially I plan on getting him/her to focus on on-page optimization and obtaining reciprocal links but I'm curious to know what others would do in this fortunate situation.

    If you had someone to work full-time on your SEO grunt work what would you have them spend the most time on?
     
    Frantik, Jan 20, 2009 IP
  2. domainbiz

    domainbiz Peon

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    I would have them focus on building anchored links to your site. Onpage factors are the easiest to get right but offpage requires a bit more work from building links etc. Choose tasks which are simple enough, but time consuming so you can focus on other areas of your site which require more time and effort, like writing posts and so on.
     
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  3. pokey

    pokey Active Member

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    There is actually a lot involved in SEO as I'm sure you understand, and even though you're looking to hire a Junior SEO, there is still so much involved and as domainbiz suggested, it would be wise to structure to help maximise profit.

    I would clearly start with on-page SEO, work out your best domains and fix everything up there first. Once on-page is done and everything is ready (house is built so to speak) then you can focus more on off-page, building back links, partnerships, articles, etc. (market your house to the world)

    I would also clearly state no black hat involved as it will only bite you on the bum later on. once you Junior SEO gets comfortable with your network of domains (hopefully there's not that much hehe) then he/she will start to work at a more optimal level, then you can bring more tasks in.

    If you got more specific questions, shoot them along here.

    - A
     
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  4. Pakblogger

    Pakblogger Peon

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    - onpage SEO does not really improve your search engine ranking, off page does.
    - go for quality high PR links with anchor text (as keywords)
    - no black hat as pokey said
    - but remember to have good quality content as base first
     
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  5. pokey

    pokey Active Member

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    I think your first statement kinda contradicts with your last one because yes, you need to do off-page as that's the marketing but without good, solid content... off page is not as effective. So on-page does actually improve your search engine ranking...but maybe connecting those two statements would be more ideal :)

    On-page is dependent on off-page and pretty much vice-versa. It's true you can write an article and get it ranking without doing anything to it, as Google recognises content is 'king' however without marketing it, your not able to maximise your potential.

    If you need some more knowledge (we always do!) on SEO, then you can find some good stuff here:
    http://www.seofirminc.com/Content-1/SEO.html

    if you wanna see what other companies want for their junior SEO, just do a job search on "Junior SEO" or "Junior website Manage".

    - A
     
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  6. NancyLopez

    NancyLopez Banned

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    hi,

    I agreed with you Pokey. Once you start a website it is necessary to focus in on-page optimization. Set everything before you jump to off-page to optimization. For off-page optimization use variety of techniques like Article submission, bookmarking, dir and deeplink submission, blogging and many more to mention.

    Avoid blackhat technique if you think what you do is right go for it google will go along your way.
     
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  7. Frantik

    Frantik Peon

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    I'm really impressed with the replies here so far - thanks for contributing, everyone.

    Happily your suggestions are pretty much in line with my own planning so far. I agree with taking care of on-page factors first before focusing on off-page. In terms of directory submission - is there much point to free submissions these days? I'm guessing only if the link page has PR and not many external links (fat chance!)

    It seems everyone agrees that a balanced approach would be the best use of a junior's time. I guess I was a bit surprised that no-one said 'non-stop article submission' or '100% linkbaiting' or something like that!

    Anyway thanks again for the replies and if anyone else has suggestions I'd love to hear them.
     
    Frantik, Jan 20, 2009 IP
  8. Lavinco

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    As mentioned already by pokey, SEO is very involved. When I do an SEO campaign for a new client, I actually run through a 200 point checklist. There are so many aspects involved, that it is almost an oxymoron to say "Junior SEO" together. Anyone that is good at SEO, is certainly not going to have "Junior" as a title, because this is stuff you just cant learn at school. I know, because I went to a very good college for Web Development and SEO was not on the course list.

    Also note, that when searching for someone to do the work, that you find someone that implements White-hat SEO. If they do push the envelope, find out to what degree and know the difference. If they have no idea what "white-hat" or "black-hat" refers to with SEO, then toss that application in the garbage.

    We are truly a 1 in a million class; and I am referring to the people that are actually good at it.

    Good luck with your search. I really do wish you the best.
     
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  9. An_igma

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    Many experts now days like to turn down free directory submission ... however it's not as ineffective as that, some free directory may not have any PR in the beginning but in next PR update it can achieve a PR 2 or 3 ... many paid directories you see now days actually started as free directories ... even if it's a nofollow link it may send some traffic your way ... and of course the best thing about it is that it's free and doesn't take much time either.
     
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  10. Bloomtools

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    On-page optimization is most important for seo. when you done on-page, and off-page then helps to your ranking, traffic. :cool:
     
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  11. Lavinco

    Lavinco Peon

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    I missed this one, but it serves to show an an example of how important it really is to find someone that knows what they are doing. Onpage SEO is where it starts and is indeed EXTREMELY important.
     
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  12. pokey

    pokey Active Member

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    Exactly. When I was learning the basics of SEO, I simply got taught 1 thing:

    Every...link...counts.

    Of course take away the bad neighbourhood linking and black hat, but if you can get a relevant link, go for it. No matter if its unranked or PR0 and beyond, it will all help increase your ranking and I can safely say I understand the power of linking.

    Hopefully just from a few of these replies Frank you can have a good understanding of how to manage your new Junior SEO (hehe Junior...) and take into account what Lavinco said, ask them a series of SIMPLE but IMPORTANT questions like if they can explain the difference between White hat and Black hat seo and if they know what tools to use for example like SearchStatus on Firefox. If you feel pretty confident after a checklist, then hire them :)

    Oh a remember, being comfortable with them will help you convey your message a lot clearer - so this is another important factor..which of course, you already know :)

    - A
     
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  13. seodetectors07

    seodetectors07 Notable Member

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    the exp seo will optimize your websites with many ways like firstly checking and varying titles, keywords, content opt and many more offline tricks......the other thing it will be vary titles accordingly to the traffic.........he also knows how to tackle the websites for optimization
     
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    hi

    On page is best option for it.. as well as do the off page optimization for the website [i.e - Directory submission, article submission etc.........]
     
    Alan Smith, Jan 21, 2009 IP
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    Now i think i was not able to explain what i meant. Considering you have done some basic on page SEO, i know on page seo is important but TO IMPROVE ranking in search engine (to climb on search engine pages) off page SEO is much more important.
     
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    I disagree. Onpage SEO is very important. If your site does not even have the keywords you are targeting in the title tags, then good luck trying to rank it. Especially with competitive keywords like, say, car insurance or debt consolidation. It is much, much easier to rank a site that is properly optimized, than one that is not.

    If I were to be given an SEO "minion" to do my dirty (not meaning black hat) work, it'd be directory submissions and article syndication.
     
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    I am doing actually a new client's site (6 months online) for "gifts occasions" ranking so far top 50 for that term (first page with quotes). I am not even thinking about link building and quite sure to be first page (without quotes) within a couple of months - pure on page optimization can do the job, if you really know what seo is.
     
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  18. Frantik

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    I was expecting more replies like this.

    I don't have any experience with article syndication - can you suggest a good starting point for me?
     
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    You should ask him to do on-page optimization first. Then you could ask him to build links with target anchor texts. Forum posting and blog commenting are very useful. Then he can also do social bookmarking and article submission.
     
    LinkGenie, Jan 22, 2009 IP
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    I just laugh when people say on site optimization is not important. To me, it's %70 of the job.
     
    maxerg, Jan 22, 2009 IP