If Isreal Really Sends Troops to Gaza

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by aletheides, Jan 3, 2009.

  1. zangief

    zangief Well-Known Member

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    #21
    If you are fighting against a regular army you should wait and use guerilla war tactics if you expect small forces to make speedy progress you only lose them.And also don't forget that their enemy is the Israel army famous for war crimes.
     
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  2. drmike

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    #22
    I just don't see any war actually doing any good anymore. I mean, 60 years ago people had HUGE faith in the government and were so pro country. Now-a-days you can barely trust them as far you can throw them. With the exception of the draft people previously joined the army from all walks of life to fight for what they and their government believed in. Now, with minor exceptions, the majority of the military are people from the lowest income levels joining because they can't get a job anywhere else, most eager as can be to put their time in and be done with it. Even most of them realize that they are sadly puppets in rediculous political games they themselves have nothing to do with.

    Flipping the spectrum to the other end, the people who are not in a military per sae, the people who are fighting because of their downright beliefs. The people who are willing to do sucide missions, how do you defeat people like these? They completely blend themselves in with society, no uniforms, no ID's. They are more than willing to die for their cause; forcing them to stay alive may be a better tactic than killing them. And the real kicker is that for everyone that is killed, 5 more supporters are born and ready to take his place. Sure 5,000 Hammas could be wiped out, but then there are 25,000 hamas supporters who are now so enraged at their anihilation that they are now willing to fight to the death themselves. It s plain and simple, peace cannot be obtained through war. The only thing a war can gaurantee is a promise of more war.
     
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  3. aletheides

    aletheides Banned

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    #23

    Some people say, "Well if the rocket fire would stop this wouldn't have happend" but the answer to that is "What about the occupation and the humanitarian crises that's been happening way, way before this attack?"

    I can't argue with who is stronger here. Israeli is far more advanced and superior in every way.

    The only advantage Hamas has is they are fighting for their homes.

    And as for hiding among women and children - yes that's true. If I were in the same situation I would probably fight to the death from my own home, there really is no other choice except for those that take refuge at UN Schools.
     
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  4. F33l1ngz

    F33l1ngz Peon

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    #24
    Some people say, ""What about the occupation and the humanitarian crises that's been happening way, way before this attack?", but the answer to that is "Israel left Palestine in 2005 and evicted all the Jews there, some by force, however once it ended Hamas kept firing rockets".

    True. The minute Hamas started firing rockets at Israel - it's a deceleration of war from Gaza. And before you say that it's only Hamas's fault - Hamas is the current government of Gaza and has been elected by it's civilians. I do care about the civilians, but Hamas needs to be destroyed for peace to happen.

    They're not fighting from their own homes. They're invading into innocent civilian's homes and fighting from there.

    wtf?
     
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  5. aletheides

    aletheides Banned

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    #25
    lol someone needs to do a little more research. Gaza has been a humanitarian crisis for a long, long time.

    This will happen, that's how dense urban fighting is. But you can be sure there will be no citizens in the home when the battle line comes to their house, that's for sure.

    Here's more info for you. The people of Gaza can't leave, you realize that right? They are not allowed to leave their own country. And who says they can't leave? Israel. Gaza is just a big giant prison, nothing can come in (including supplies, it's been like this for a long time) and nobody can come out.

    UN has opened their schools for people to seek refuge in because there's nowhere else to go.
     
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  6. LogicFlux

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    #26
    They're fighting for the destruction of Israel because they believe that a Jewish state in the middle east is an offense to god. So, that's a little bit different than "fighting for their homes".
     
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  7. F33l1ngz

    F33l1ngz Peon

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    #27
    They're firing rockets from civilian places. I'm not talking about right now when the ground invasion started, but generally speaking.

    I'll be surprised if Hamas doesn't tell the civilians to run toward the Israeli soldiers to purposely get hit.

    Let me make one point clear here - I do not blame the civilians of Gaza regarding what's happening, but Hamas. Hamas is storing it's rockets in civilian houses and tells the civilians that either they let it happen or they'll kill them. Hamas is the problem here.

    There's actually a discussion about the solution to the entire thing, and instead of thinking about the solution you keep fighting and arguing.
     
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  8. aletheides

    aletheides Banned

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    #28
    Actually they're firing rockets from mostly rural areas, which is why no rockets have been fired since the invasion - the rural areas were easily secured.

    lol ?

    If Mr. Mohammed lives in the run down shack A and Israeli troops come to his neighborhood he is fighting from his home. Don't forget who's attacking who here..
     
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    F33l1ngz Peon

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    #29
    You're talking about the Qassam - Which is usually fired from less then 1800 meters from where it hits and has a range of around 5-6km/s. I'm talking about the Grad missiles that have a range of 40km/s.



    If Mr. Mohammed shot rockets everyday at Israeli cities and lives in a run down shack he is a terrorist and will fight there.

    If Mr. Mohammed lives in the run down shack and Israeli troops come to his neighborhood he won't be fighting them as he's not going to get shot.
     
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    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    #30
    Every source, including Hamas itself disputes your claim.

    The rockets have not stopped at all. Rocket fire continues unabated from Gaza's Hamas government.
     
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    #32
    Sorry but what these videos supose to prove?
    Like first one that says "Weapons in Gaza Mosque...". You may watch it like 1000 times but you won't see any weapons on in that video. Or do you see it? Where?
    And second one... It's so blurry that those siluets we see on it may be IDF soldiers. I didn't recognised who they are. Did you?
    On the other hand in urban fighting soldiers indeed use civilian buildings to take cover. Yours do that to and they always will. It's normal thing to do. You will not lay down in the middle of the street. You will take cover in nearest building when shooting starts.
     
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  13. roiei

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    #33
    Small-mindedness ...

    If it's OK for you to hide in Mosque and Hospitels so it's OK to bomb it if there's weapons/terrorist in it and without consideration about innocents.
     
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  14. aletheides

    aletheides Banned

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    #34
    I stand corrected, was wrong on that one.
     
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  15. F33l1ngz

    F33l1ngz Peon

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    #35
    iggysick - You're narrow minded and you're trying to forcefully make everything look as if you're right. Honestly, when I'm arguing with you I sometimes do try to see what your side has to say and if you're right - and you are right on some cases. When you're arguing, you're going to try and ignore the facts to make yourself look right. Come on, I don't think you're stupid, so you have to be really hateful.

    I mean seriously man, what are you trying to prove? You and I both know everything isn't black and white. You can clearly see a second explosion in the first video, which is also marked in the video, and that proves something was in that area that could have triggered a second explosion. Before you're going to say that it wasn't rockets or ammunition, Hamas did admit they used it as a storage facility.


    This is getting ridiculous. Are you really going to try and make everything look like it's a conspiracy?
     
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  16. iggysick

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    #36
    F33l1ngz - You're narrow minded and you're trying to forcefully make everything look as if you're right. Honestly, when I'm arguing with you I sometimes do try to see what your side has to say and if you're right - and you are right on some cases. When you're arguing, you're going to try and ignore the facts to make yourself look right. Come on, I don't think you're stupid, so you have to be really hateful.

    Again, if those two videos can prove anything you should get your brain get checked.

    Not at all. I just stated fact that those videos are far away from any kind of proof and that's all. The way they look they can even be from one of todays PC games. You can't use them for any kind of proof. Period.
     
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    #37
    This pot spends all day calling the kettle black.
     
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    #38
    Don't you have any other dead kid pictures to make fun out of it?
     
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    #39
    Excuse me? I don't make fun of dead kids. You're confused and you're babbling. That's nothing new for you, either ;)
     
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    #40
    Yes, you do. Thou, you tried to be witty but only with picture of dead Palestinian kid. I wonder what would be your reaction if someone do same thing but with picture of dead Jewish girl... hmmmmm
     
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