If God/Allah Forgives Me I Will Go To Heaven: What Do You Think

I have heard this many times from many people.
But have you ever wondered that out of 6 billion souls why would God/Allah choose you? I think there would be some kind of strict selection criteria for God/Allah to choose only a few out of so many billions.
Does God/Allah requires one to be Spiritualy Enlightened ? (Refer http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=234357 )
What would be the selection criterias in your opinion?

 

You should read the gospels and then anything the apostle Paul wrote and finally the book of Revelation. It even tells you how many are going to heaven (Rev 14:1,3-4,).

Col

 

Let me tell you my point of view about God.
I'm a Christian and in order for me to go to heaven, I have to pray, be good and blah blah. Which means you have to do everything the Bible says.
The truth is, I don't believe in the Bible.
But this is what I believe, If there is a God and he chooses which people goes to Heaven or Hell. Then he will choose the people who believe in him, and who has done more good then bad in there lives.

It doesn't matter how many times you go to Church, it doesn't matter if you read the bible 100000s of times. The bottom line in my opinion is just be a good man/women, don't hurt people, and help the people in need.

Ofcourse I don't think I'm going to Heaven, cuz I'm not really that good.

 

I would think the part about 'truely wanting forgiveness' would impact if you get that forgiveness, and to truely want something like that is not an easy thing (you know, without alterior motives, like going to heaven)

 

i dont know really ... according to quaran it says allah is very generous and he accepts apologies from true heart ,...


it really depends on you and how strong is your belief in allah.

 

I'm not a Christian either, but I believe that's a misrepresentation of it. The essence of Christianity is grace - not one's works/deeds.

 

God and Heaven are inventions from human beings who need to believe in something that help them not to colapse.
If that helps, good enough...

 

How are you a Christian and not believe in the Bible? Isnt this a contradiction?

 

IN the end, Jesus will judge. This will be done, according to His Word, by the contents of a man's heart. That man need not have been a Christian in life. (Rom 2:12)

 

learn how to be openminded...it doesnt matter what jesus or allah says..they could be both wrong...to be safe why not look at every religion for input in how to make sure you live a nice afterlife..

honestly just be a good human being to all other human beings, and ul die happy

 

ash... that would be a 'sentiment' on your part. One I do not concur with. Except the part about "just [being] a good human being." That I concur with. But the sentiment about "it doesnt matter what jesus or allah says..they could be both wrong" is simply saying no more than "hey, I am not a Christian." And that's fine so long as you follow your own advice and "just be a good person."

That goes for the muslim as well, even though I cannot stand his religion of blood and violence and hatred of women.

For me it's simply a matter of the gifts associated with being closer to God now. Being closer to Christ now.

Making one a "good person" from the inside out.

 

Are you saying that God will only except 144,000 people? That sounds like double-predestination to me, which I do not beleive in...furthermore, according to my research that 144,000 is for the martyr-witness cadre of the church (12 x12). In Rev. 14:1-5 it is referring to the martyrs, i.e. those that gave their life for the early church (before Christianity was even popular in the world, and before Islam was even around). Remember that the authors of the books in the N.T. thought that Jesus was coming back REAL soon, not over 2000 years later...

This to sounds like double-predestination to me, which leaves me with this question: If God has already chosen those who are going to heaven and those who are going to hell, then why does God need to forgive? Furthermore, why do we need to repent from our sins? If we are automatically going to heaven, then it shouldn't matter, right?

 

You made a lot of statements here. I respect other people's opinions about these matters. However, I am only quoting what the Bible teaches. Of course, many believe it teaches other things. In the end, as someone else mentioned before in this thread, it all is decided by your heart condition in the end. But, in order for your heart to be in the right condition one must listen, learn and apply what is learned. But it is pretty clear about the number of people who will co-exist as co-rulers with Jesus in God's Heavenly Kingdom (the Kingdom is what we pray for as suggested by Jesus in Matt 6:9-10).

As far as what the Bible really teaches. It does not matter to anyone what anyone else thinks. God has all this planned from the very beginning and nothing is going to change that plan no matter how hard we wish it, for God is the ultimate in Wisdom, Power, Justice and Love and his purposes will be fulfilled whether we like it or not. I am pretty clear on what God's purposes are. I'd like others to tell me what they think his purposes are.

Col

 

I do not ever expect any one to be a co-ruler with Jesus...doesn't that lead to more than one God? And yes, we do pray for the kingdom to come, but we don't pray for us to be co-rulers, at least that is the way that I read the Lord's prayer...

Again, then why must we worry about sinning? Why did Jesus come to save people from their sin, and why do all the prophets in the Bible tell us to repent? If God already knows where we are going, is this necessary?

Also, the 144,000 as mentioned in Revelation actually starts with Rev. 7:4, where God takes 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes.

 

No. Jesus is God's son according to the Bible.

Correct. I was just stating about the kingdom coming (if we understand what that means of course! It's quite amusing that most western governments in parliament say the lords prayer before the days work starts. However, what Daniel 2:44 says about the very thing they were praying for makes me think they have no idea what they are doing).

It is necessary to repent from our ways to show obedience to our creator. His new order is coming and we must show we are worthy of being there. To be worthy, really, we must follow God's commandments and also apply what Jesus teaches us from the Bible. The apostle Paul wrote about putting on the new personality and doing away with the old personality. It is also necessary because it shows we are obedient to his commandments and his commandments are not burdensome (1 John 5:1-4).

Yes. Symbolic tribes. Not literal. It means that people who have been chosen by God will come from all tribes and tongues, male and female.

Col

 

He is also the Son of Man, the Son of God, and a part of God meaning He is God, along with the Holy Spirit, three-in-one.

Then if it is not literal, then the 144,000 is also not literal, and therefore we truly don't know the number, right?

 

Somehow I knew you would head in this direction going by your prior posts. If you believe this then there's nothing I can do to reason with you on that one.

Some are literal and some are not. Only a study of this Book of Revelation would "reveal" the true meaning of it. However, if you believe in the Trinity doctrine there is no way you will ever understand the book of Revelation. Currently, our organization worldwide is studying the Book of Revelation and it is crystal clear what the entire book means to us and to all who would like to study it. You would do well to join in one day and find out what the Bible really teaches on this.

Col

 

Can it be both? Does that apply to any other religious books? I don't think humans are in a place to pick and choose what is good in the Bible and what is not...afterall, if we say that it is the inspired Word of God, like other religions do with their books, then how can part of it be right and other parts not? And how are we as humans able to tell exactly what God meant by a particular verse? To me this seems like we are trying to place God in a nice neat box that we can close up and put in our pocket...instead of realizing that God does not fit in a box at all, but is instead constantly working mysteriously in our lives.

Also, the book of Revelation is one of the most trinitarian books in the Bible...Everything in it is plain as day in regards to Jesus being the Lamb of God. Furthermore, it was written by a Christian, and therefore has Christian views. One more thing, how do we interpret scripture to "reveal the true meaning"? You and I may come up with different answers? Which one is right and which one is wrong? Are any right, or are any wrong?

 

Personally, I believe its all being made out to be way more complicated than it needs to be.
I am a Muslim, I believe everyone should believe in what makes them happy, and that it does not matter what you believe in to go to heaven.
Sure, I think you must believe in some form of afterlife, and some 'reigning force'.. But the most important thing is how you live your life.

 

So if I believe that Satan is better and stronger than God, would I still go to heaven?