To discount your knowledge. FreeBSD/Unix has been around since Bill Gates was in his diapers. Windows could only hope to be as good as FreeBSD. Uh, you are aware that Linux/FreeBSD/Unix are operating systems and not GUIs, windowing systems, browsers or any of that? Well obviously, you ain't no Einstein. Uh, the most used operating system. Don't confuse 'most used' with 'best'. Uh, yes they are. They are making changes, started an "open source initiative", releasing documents...or don't you read the tech news, Einstein? Uh, I guess you haven't read about Ask either, huh? If you are going to talk tech, make sure you know what you're talking about, because, in a battle of wits, you appear half armed.
Oh? Please. Tell me. How do I get IE to work on Linux? Or FreeBSD? Or Solaris? Or Irix? Or Unix? Or a Mac? Your lack of knowledge is showing. Firefox runs everywhere. Or have you lost that in your dazed confusion? And you guys are concerned with speed?! Speed of what? There are many, many areas of speed to consider. But I doubt you know them all.
C'mon... who needs IE on Linux? Maybe it works thru WINE? Whatever... the issue with FF's speed is well known.
Oh? Please, show me your stats. Show me where it is known. I'm assuming you are saying Firefox renders pages so much slower that you can watch it. You can see it. Now show me your proof. Show me your statistics. Show me the data. I'm sure you don't want to mention that IE is not only built into the operating system so it has access to the OS no other browser has. But you don't want to speak of the more important issue that IE can't render a modern web page properly. So even if IE was significantly faster in any area, rendering a web page incorrectly faster is of no advantage. IE7 is 10 years behind web standards and broken. ANY other browser spits in its face. And who wants IE on Linux? Ain't that the truth.
bouncer69, where are your facts? Point me to any web site that gives information that shows, verifiably, that ANY version of IE is better than ANY other browser. You don't even know what features IE8 is coming out with so why can't you say why IE7 is better? Here is my challenge to everyone on this board. Find ANY web site ANYWHERE that shows, verifiably, statistics, proof, data, that IE does a better job at rendering a web page better than ANY other popular browser. NOT opinion. You can't do it. It is impossible. You will fail. All versions of IE are verifiably proven to be 10 years behind web standards and, despite anyone's efforts, I will come back at you with tested, verifiable proof. Unlike anyone here has been able to do.
Firefox uses "available" memory for cache storage making loading of pages faster. It uses available memory because the memory is .... available. FF loads slower because IE is built into the operating system. Parts of it are loaded by Windows by default. The same is true of all 3rd party software. In addition, if startup times of a second or so it your determining factor for using a browser, I have a lot of questions for you.
IE 7 and 8 is separated from the OS. Try to open a webpage in Explorer, or try to open a local path in IE, and see what happens.
true . But there is more to it than just explorer.exe for IE to run . A streak of Dynamic link files amongst others ;-)
And who has had more developers behind it. Who runs more of the advanced server applications? More over who are the people who use it compared to Windows Server 03 and 08. Would you like me to give you a list of all the organizations (multi billion dollar enterprises) who use Windows Servers daily? Even certain government organizations use windows like NASA. Where in my post did you get the impression I was saying that? I was speaking about configuration. NOT GUI's. Did I claim to be? Could you recommend me the best OS to use? Wow. Give me a break. Show me the big strides Microsoft has made to be more loving to its competitors? The only thing it did is took Windows Live Messenger off of Vista....and hey its back with a vengeance. People are still using it more than the other two major IM systems combined. And lets not forget its compatibility with Yahoo now. I'm not sure I'm following you? I am not going to boast but all the major tech sites including the less traveled ones are all bookmarked by me. I owned two tech blogs and sold one of them and currently have a friend running the other. I'm pretty aware about whats out there in the market.
Unix does. Definition please. Do you want my list of Unix users that are billion dollar corporations? And NASA uses Linux and Unix, too, particularly in mission critical operations such as the space shuttle. [quoe]Where in my post did you get the impression I was saying that? I was speaking about configuration. NOT GUI's.[/quote]Then I was right. You have no experience or knowledge in this area. For what? I agree. Microsoft has always been more talk and BS than fact. At least until they lose over a billion in fines. At Silicon Graphics, I used to eat lunch with Jim Clark before he founded Netscape and I rode with Ed Catmull to the airport after he hired me at Pixar. I've never blogged in my life.
btw, I guess you are aware that 77% of the internet is run by non-Windows systems. I guess you are also aware that the next version of Windows is being completely written with most of the API thrown out? If it's so good, why are they throwing it all away?
"drhowarddrfine" Don't challenge from your emotion or from some statistics. I'm not saying FF is bad browser. I'm a web developer and i have to make all website all browser compatible. I'm using IE7, FF & Opera simutanously. So i have enough experience to make comments. 1. IE 7 font rendering is very smooth no broken pixel bit FF, Opera and IE6 is not. And this make a big difference when you look any website. You can try yourself. 2. IE 7 html page rendering also very smooth. It load all necessary css and graphics before loading the whole page but FF load the html then start to load other files. In this few seconds the web page looks ugly and people can see alt text and some internal structure. 3. Integrated browser always load much faster than third party software. And each time 2-3 second delay is big problem. Specially when i click FF it make busy the processor, memory and hdd for few seocnds. So if i can have the faster one (IE7) why should I use slower one. Even opera is loading very fast not FF. 4. IE title text loading is system is very good. For example you want to show 5 website name on mouseover, you can easily show but in FF it is nightmare and showing 5 site name in a single line which is going outside the monitor. 5. IE7 tab system looks more easier to use FF not. 6. IE7 is very smart to render the html code even if you have some mistake on code like you forgot to use one close tag (</div> or </font> etc) it automatically understand the issue and showing correct pages but FF not. 6. IE7 crash a lot but FF not. This is a problem for IE7 but if I have some good facility from IE7 I can compromise this issue.
So what is left? 1. IE 7 font rendering is very smooth no broken pixel bit FF, Opera and IE6 is not. And this make a big difference when you look any website. You can try yourself.[/quote]You mean 'cleartype'? You need access to the OS to get to that. Not the browsers fault. IE7 and IE8 can't display SVG or XHTML. That's more important. Then fix your page or get a better connection. Maybe you need to talk to your host. You should never see this. I never have and this is the first time I've ever had anyone claim this. So do you reload FF for every page you visit? Or are you like most of us and leave your browser open and don't concern ourselves with 2-3 seconds lost first thing in the morning? How is this important in rendering performance in web browsers? I don't know what you mean by "5 site name". I do know that IE is 10 years behind in DOM support and mishandles javascript, though. That's more important. Opinion and preference. Many would disagree. How is this important to browser overall performance in rendering web pages? Oh? In what way? You are aware that all web browsers are required to do this, aren't you? IE7, btw, is incapable of correctly displaying much of CSS2.1 and very little of CSS3. Firefox/Opera/Safari are far, far ahead in that area alone. Isn't that more important? Especially more important that the deprecated <font> element? I rarely see IE crash. I rarely see any browser crash. I just don't get this when I see such claims. Once again, when people try and claim IE is the better browser, the only thing they can point to is start up speed and cleartype but have no basis of proof for anything else and totally ignore the fact that all versions of IE stumble in almost all areas of doing the job of a browser; and that is rendering modern code for the user. That is where it fails miserably and Microsoft will tell you so! Chris Wilson and Dean H., lead developer and manager at MS say IE is behind all other browsers and must improve. If Microsoft believes that then who are we to question it? Do you have information you can point to that shows any version of IE outperforms any other browser? No you don't. You can't. Its' impossible. Do I have any information showing IE is the worst browser on the planet? Of course, I do. I've got so many links I've had to delete them cause they take too much drive space. Let's start with these, today: IE vs the standards. Explorer Exposed! CSS Browser Support No, IE did not handle that properly. Those are just for now, fans! Stay tuned for more as we go along.
1. The startup speed and cleartype font is the first thing comes up when someone use a browser. Absence of this two things make any browser dull. Oh? In what way? You are aware that all web browsers are required to do this, aren't you? IE7, btw, is incapable of correctly displaying much of CSS2.1 and very little of CSS3. Firefox/Opera/Safari are far, far ahead in that area alone. Isn't that more important? Especially more important that the deprecated <font> element? Code (markup): 2. It is not a big issue which browser have capability of css 2 or css 3 but it is impotant which browser i can see better most of the website. General people don't know about css. I don't know what you mean by "5 site name". I do know that IE is 10 years behind in DOM support and mishandles javascript, though. That's more important. Code (markup): 3. This is just capability to understand whitespace in html coding. Then fix your page or get a better connection. Maybe you need to talk to your host. You should never see this. I never have and this is the first time I've ever had anyone claim this. Code (markup): 4. I'm using 2mbit adsl. No idea how fast connection need for firefox.
You are considering which browser to use by its outward appearance. I am talking of the technical abilities of the browsers. Technically, IE is far, far worse than any other browser. To the average user, yes. But to the people who code for the web, it is a HUGE issue. As I said, the technical capabilities of IE are abysmal at best. Still don't know what you mean. What I'm saying is, if you can see the html before the css is loaded, you have serious problems with your computer or your host. I'm going to check but I'm not so sure that pages get displayed before the CSS is loaded. In addition, you say it takes several seconds for all your pages to load completely. What's wrong with your setup that causes this? My second home in the country, that can only get a 56K dialup, never, ever has such problems. In fact, show me the page and I'll help you fix it.