I would rather live in a Zoo

G-mail is software, the toolbar is software that shows their greatest maketing hype story Page Rank which is the foundation of their search Algo's. The toolbar also is a MIS tool delivering real time information on websurfers activity.

The new Deskbar along with their new "Puffin" search software that will search your hard drive is software that will be very intrusive.

So to sum up what Google will know about its users: their surfing habits, their Email and what is on their hard drives, what they are blogging about, their freinds through Orkrut (the friendster clone) you can read thru each of these products privacy policy yourself, I do not want to bore myself going into it. O I almost forgot, they use toolbar data to target ads back at users (new Banners coming up) and to build a profile of the websites you visit.

 

Bob did I attack SE, if you look at his post that I responded to, he told me to take my show down the road. Why don't you highlight that?

Bob I think you and I have had it out on more than one occasion, but I do not hate you, yes I have attacked your positions and you have come back and called my positions insane. So what we are still friends I hope.

I will take your advise on being kinder to folks, but when I get attacked by someone who really has not studied these issues and tries to disprove current facts (by picking up posts from other forums that I made and inserting them in a current one taking them out of context) with insults, I have to respond, if you look at the post in question can you highlight what offending remarks I made to SE in your next post.

Bob that is why I think you would make a good moderator, you still have not answered my post in that thread, have you?

 

The information gathered by the toolbar is used to serve ads back, that is how the toolbar is monetized. It is used just like Alexa uses their Toolbar, to follow surfers around to create a map of where they go online.

Page Rank is a link popularity system, the toolbar helps Google figure out which pages surfers go to in real time, so page rank is updated using the toolbar.

Alexa knows everypage you go to and creates a map also, they also show related links that are sometimes suggested by webmasters themselves with their toolbar. You can not get those stat's without the toolbar. It is a trade off, you want our related links, Page Rank, traffic stats then run our toolbars and tell us where you go so we can target relevant ads back at you.

That is how they make money with this software, it is more of a more valuable tool for them then it is for the users of these products.

The users get some benefits, by these companies are building giant databases using the data gathered by surfers using these tools.

Just like mail order companies rent their mailing lists to others, so do the online marketers monetize these databases.

Any consumer or business information database can be monetized, mail list rentals, credit reports, criminal histories, background checks, drug user background, medical histories, you name it.

You could rent out your members list here, if you do I will find out since I gave you all fake information. I use a different code name at each forum so I am tracking how the forums sell their information. (can you believe someone would do such a thing)

 

I'm hoping the forum never needs moderators. That among other reasons is why I'm trying to reason with you.

And if moderators are appointed one of their major characteristics should be lack of ego. So I thank you for your recommendation but to reply would seem to smack of self promotion and ego, the very thing that I hope won't be the case with moderators.

 

A great example of the AD/TEXT MATCHING technology that is used to serve ad is right here on this forum, since the title of this thread is "I WOULD RATHER LIVE IN A ZOO" I have been laughing the last couple days at all of the Zoo ads on a webmaster forum. The technology is not always that good, have any of you clicked on any ads to go see the lions and tigers the last few days. Has anyone here went to the Zoo because of these ads, Google will use toolbar data to give users a better and more relevant set of ads to look at. If I were using the toolbar I bet I would not be seeing ads to go to the Zoo right now.

I would see ads for webmaster forums since I am on them most of the day. You see how Google would make more money if I were using the toolbar now.

 

Ok, he told you to go to another forum. Not really his business to say so. The fact that you have posted this same basic arguement on a lot of other forum is public knowledge.

So you can argue that you had an equal right to suggest he move -- the old cliche is that two wrongs don't make a right -- but you couldn't leave it at just the suggestion he move, you then had to go on an really insult him. "your position really has no basis at all.", "unfounded judgements". These are over and above the suggest he change threads. There was no need for these insults.

Remember, right or wrong, you are the one arguing the minority position. It just doesn't seem logical to me that everyone who doesn't agree is an idiot. But that is how you tend to categorize them.

Don't you agree?

 

Bob, I seem to remember you using that term to describe me at IMR? Let's not pick apart each other Bob, if we stick to facts instead of personal insults we all make it.

Do I continue to attack you? No

You called me a idiot before, so what, that does not mean I quit participating or never talk to you again.

I will tone it down for you Bob, I think you are trying to bring sanity to the thread and stop a flame war. That is why I have nominated you for a moderator. How is that coming from a guy you catagorized as being a nut.

Peace be to all.

 

Anthony,

My father use to say "some people live and learn, and other just live". I've always tried to be among the ones that live and learn. So I'm not suggesting I've always been a model forum member, but I believe I have learned and so far with the exception of a couple of rebukes, I have been pretty well accepted on this forum.

I think that is probably because there are no moderators on power trips here and I really enjoy that. Hopefully as long as we don't abuse each other too badly we can keep it that way.

And if Jill Whalen set the standard for egotistical, power hungry, control freak forum owners at 100, then Shawn rates a -1,000. This is a very laissez faire forum and I love it.

 

.... and the touche' award goes to VS!

 

you're right. I was not any of my business to post that...

I apologise.

But my query remains anthony.

I am not asking to antagonise you. I am truly keen to hear some actual facts and statistics to backup what you are saying.

Please show them to me then perhaps you can change my mind...

SEbasic

 

The answer to that Viciuous is that this is not a censorship forum. The fact that Rex Zoolander is a member is simply a cross we all have to bear

 

Remind me never to piss off Summer, if you will pardon my political incorrectness for a second.

There are much easier targets! Now.. back to my plan of taking over the world...

hexed

 

You guy's were all right, Larry and Sergey would never take advantage of us.

They would not ever think of taking your personal details and exploiting them for financial gain.

In fact I am now on their side, they have come up with a new idea, they are going to make me, little old me a star one day.

http://www.searchwars.squarespace.com//display/ShowPage?moduleId=26314

There is really nothing I can do about is since every detail of my little old life is now public knowledge.

Sergey, Larry, thank you for making me famous. I love you guy's, I would also like to thank the Entire Google staff and lets not forget the Board of Directors and the Original Investors in Google that made my fame possible.

 

You do have an interesting point there. She does have a propensity to not only be quick with her criticism, but also to prolong the battle. Maybe she feels she needs to compensate for Shawn's extreme laid back style with a little more aggression. Sort of keeps some balance in the family.