I would rather live in a Zoo

I agree that the way this information was presented to us was awkward. The first couple pages were blabber, and finally a link to what Google is accused of doing.

Now I like Google, and I don't want Google to be doing bad things, I am unaware and a little sceptical about hearing Google is data mining. To the point where Adaware will detect it. (just not yet says anthonycea)
So I don't want to know that Google is invaiding our privacy, but I am willing to admit truth, and somewhat used finding out later than I'd like due to being vegan and actually doing research on the things I fed my body.

But the way your page (link in post #34) is presented makes it all the more confusing. There is no direction, it's like it is all splattered on a wall and the visitor has to sort it out themselves. Kind of like the fine print in Privacy Policies.

I became uninterested in minutes and I feel funny for writing a post that took longer to write than I spent looking to see what Google was doing wrong.

i am sure I will be spending time reading at least a couple of the articles, as long as they aren't all about G-Mail and how it displays ads. I am bored of that debate. I use G-Mail as sort of a test account and I don't mind for now.

 

O I am glad you solved everything by looking at the table of contents, thank you.

Do you always come to quick conclusions when you do research?

 

SE BASIC, I am not interested in that story of me getting banned at SEOchat, if you are, go there and look at my posts, I am not going to rewrite them for you here.

If you can not play with the big boy's don't play, move on to threads that you like, I am sorry that true facts hurt some folks.

 

No I didn't conclude anything just yet. I said I'd go back at look at your site, just that it was very unhelpful in letting hte visitor know what the page is trying to accomplish, what all these "catchy titles" are saying and I didn't have time to have to read everything and sort it out on my own.

And table of contents? where does it say that there is a table of contents, because that would actually be useful, grouping articles into catagories.

It seems that most of your ramblings (forum posts, and webpage) are very ... umm .... not to the point, unorgainized, random, a little snotty and always on the defensive, and if there was a word for all of those things, that's what I'd use.

But I'd like to bow out of this "conversation"/thread under the pretense of not being able to "play with the big boys", so thanks for the interesting readings if nothing else.

 

Such Great Heights, I've been a vegan for just over 20 years now!

Anthony, I don't get the hysteria. Google is not pushing anything on anyone.

 

Do you understand that the Google Toolbar is a datamining device?

Is it clear to you that Gmail will datamine your email to place ads upon your private communication and create a profile on your habits by the keywords and the email addresses that you communicate with?

Do you know that Google wants access to the files on your hard drive for the same reasons listed above with their new "Puffin" desktop software.

So Gator/Google will know your surfing habits, your email and the files on your hard drive.

If that is all right with you, Good Luck, I know I will be using the G-mail blocking software and will not send a email to anyone with a Gmail address.

 

Hey alright! I'm just going on 5 years in a month or so, my wife and I went at the same time.

It's always good to know there are others out there.

 

Anthony, The toolbar only mines data if you configure it to do so. I use it but do not have the PageRank indicator on. Google is not monitoring my surfing.

I am not using GMail. Privacy issues surrounding it do not concern me.

I am not installing Google software on my desktop. Again, Google is not mining anything from me.

Why the hysteria? Google will only track what you let them track. If you don't want them trakcing, don't install their software or use their service(s).

 

Do any of you realize that Google's entire business model in the future is based on data mining programs very much like Gator/Claria's.

If you look a the link in post #34 you will find that this type of business will be outlawed down the road and that is the reason Google came out yesterday with voluntary spyware regulation recommendations.

Conclusion: Google will have to find another business to get into if spyware/datamining laws are created, again look at the articles in the link in post #34 and you will see that this is a very HOT issue with lawmakers, Google knows that their business model doomed if this happens.

That is why they are rushing to market with this IPO, they want to cash out before laws change and Microsoft crushes them.

 

Thats rather interesting Anthony, I can't see them jumping ship on a 30 Billion Dollar Idea because of that though, the company isn't based around datamining like Gator- its two totally different things.

 

VS, I do not stalk forums, I'm impressed that you brought the thread back up, or your dad?

You call what I do ranting, scary, you have nothing to fear, I am not datamining your personal life.

Folk just do not know or are they aware that Google is the largest vendor of spyware in the world, just so happens folk load it on their own, instead of having their boxes highjacked by bad boy hacker webmasters.

Thank you for responding and for the kisses.

 

Anthony, I cannot open the link to burns.senate.gov. Do any of your links point to actual legislation that is pertinent to public sector spyware issues? The CDT links and site do not (AFAICT) point to actual legislation. Personally, I would welcome some action on this front. I still am not convinced that Google will run afoul of any legislative action though. They offer full disclosure on their systems and are not pushing the systems with "viral installs" like most spyware.

Do you have any evidence that Google is storing toolbar information as opposed to just using it to deliver the requested service(s)?

If you really want to get yourself worked up about datamining, you should focus on Catalina Marketing. Their operation is much more expansive than any internet spyware company that I'm aware of:

Behind the Instant Coupons, a Data-Crunching Powerhouse

 

Bernard, their server is down, you will have to try the link later, the page was there yesterday.

As far as the world's largest spyware vendor, that is Google, all of their products are based on data mining, some users opt out, but the most can not or do not understand how to opt out, or simply do not care.

 

Sweet, where do I sign up for a G-Mail account?

Seriously though, I read through this thread (have to admit I didn't follow all the links to the external sites) and it appears this is boiling down to the privacy issues again. I have beat this issue to death in so many threads I lost count, mostly ones having to do with G-mail.

I will be happy when Google learns more about my browsing habits. The more they know, the better my on-line experience as far as I'm concerned.

Google is a business. Data mining is part of just about very business in the world. You can't live a 100% private life and still participate in this thing called planet earth.

 

And Google is not a Spyware vendor. That comment borders on, well, let's say uninformed.

Spyware is software that's installed without a users knowledge. Google fully discloses what every piece of of software you can volentarily install does.

 

Guy from Chicagoworld.com Look at the spywareinfo link in the following page, you will find a spyware expert talking about Google Spyware.

http://www.searchwars.squarespace.com/display/ShowPage?moduleId=19899

Have fun, maybe you should tell this spyware expert that Google software is not spyware.

 

The guy's name is Mike Healan, It is listed at the top of the page on his website, he has a spyware forum that is very large, ask him yourself, I do not think he is hiding from issues here. Or the bank.

He is the one that wrote the article on the Google Spyware Updater