I think America missed big time by killing Osama bin Laden to show the world that Ame

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  1. TheMightOfLove

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    WWWS. What is happing here???? Do you like fair and honest discussions, or you are interested in something else that for me will be waste of time........ The guy pointed a cell phone at a very close range at the cop. May be 3 feet at the most. The cop saw the cell very well, but later when the suspect walked away he decided to execute him with a few shots in the back. According to your logic if you point an orange at a cop he has the right to kill you too because it might be a bomb ha? These are not cops, but cowards who should not ware police uniforms. They shot to kill, not to wound and capture alive.
     
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  2. eric8476

    eric8476 Active Member

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    #22
    i used to think that killing him was a bad idea, because it would create a martyer but i can see how keeping him in prison would also create an uproar with terrorists.

    now i think it was a no lose situation. and buring him to sea was a good idea. one, he was buried properly by muslim law and two, there isn't a new terrorist "holy ground" to inspire new terrorists.

    secretly imprisoning him would also be controverstial and not a good idea because the terrorist would still be suspicious about the west and would continue to plot against the west.

    well that's the way it played out, he attacked us, we got revenge and the terrorist probably understand that the u.s. aren't pushovers.

    so if anyone wants revenge for his death they are also going to get it too.
     
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  3. browntwn

    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    #23
    A priest asking the dying Spanish statesman and general Ramon Maria Navarez (1800-1868)

    "Does your Excellency forgive all your enemies?"

    "I do not have to forgive my enemies," answered Navarez, "I have had them all shot."
     
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  4. Corwin

    Corwin Well-Known Member

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    #24
    Look, if you are going to completely ignore contrary discussion and just keep repeating your baseless position like it's a mantra, then why are you here? You know that you haven't convinced anyone, right?

    Your knowledge of Christianity seems to be from an outside-in perspective, as if you are only pretending to be a Christian. What, exactly, are your intentions?
     
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  5. TheMightOfLove

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    #25
    The question is out of the topic, but I will give you an answer. My intentions are these:
    To do what I can so each human being is respected equally, regardless of nationality etc. .... To go deeper to the roots of the terrorism. Disregarding the rights of some group of people have provided some "fuel" to the terrosts.
     
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  6. Breeze Wood

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    #26

    At least everyone knows this person is presently Alive.......


    There seems to be a double standard where everyone should be respected while then referring to some as Terrorist. What is your approach to Al-Zawahri?
     
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  7. TheMightOfLove

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    #27
    Are you trying to ask me what should we do with every bad guy around the world?
     
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    Bushranger Notable Member

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    #28
    We have seen enough of him to know he's a true enemy so I have no problem with anybody taking him out, the same with every other one like him. It's the number of innocents that get killed trying to acheive that where I have a problem.
     
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  9. Corwin

    Corwin Well-Known Member

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    #29
    Well, each human being is NOT respected equally. If people are held responsible for their actions, then based on their actions people will not be respected equally. Bin Laden threw away any chance of being respected when he coldly killed thousands of fathers, mothers, and children on 9/11.

    You can't demand that all people be respected while ignoring the consequences of their actions. Bin Laden's actions demanded a response, and the ONLY logical response was his death.

    The roots of terrorism are well known. Yes, you can claim that "Disregarding the rights of some group of people have provided some 'fuel' to the terrosts (sic)" but terrorist's leaders select how they "fuel" their actions to further their own selfish purposes. Ultimately, when you get to the deeper roots of terrorism, it is always driven by a sociopathic leader that wants POWER. Terrorism is the tool used to take that power. The fuel can be anything handy at the time. Prisons are filled with people like that.

    As one decorated NYC police detective once told me one rainy rush hour, "you can't negotiate with a Bin Laden or a Hannibal Lector. Anyone who wants to cause pain for pain's sake can't be negotiated with". In other words, there exists Good and Evil. Some people act with solidly evil intent that can never be changed.
     
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  10. TheMightOfLove

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    #30
    There is truth in what you said. Some people do not have the means to reason right, and do not understand loftier ideas, love for them is a weakness, "love your enemies" - foolishness. If they reason like that and act accordingly, should we do as they do, should we copy their actions?
     
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  11. Corwin

    Corwin Well-Known Member

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    #31
    We should look to see how we can stop them. Almost every time - that is, 99.999% of the time, these people end up captured and behind bars. The actions taken against Bin Laden was that 0.001% situation.

    I want to believe that if it had made sense to capture him, he would have been captured. But if he had been captured then American soldiers would be extended far beyond their capacity in order to chase down threats, even the phony ones, of "free Bin Laden or we will blow up yada yada yada". These threats would have been inevitable.

    In the end, our knowledge of the situation will be incomplete. You have no choice but to trust the people in Washington, having complete knowledge of the situation, to make the best decision with the knowledge at hand.
     
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  12. Breeze Wood

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    #32

    MOL: To do what I can so each human being is respected equally, regardless of nationality etc. ....


    Not everyone looks under their bed everynite or relies on the word terrorist for their comfort - OBL got what he lived by but initially before Corwin you implied something greater than an eye for an eye as a means of redress - presumably a desire to resolve the issues.

    Apparently though the (etc) does not include Al-Zawahri as a means to resolve the issues for you.
     
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  13. The Webby

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    #33
    Would you consider someone pointing a pen towards you as threat? I would, because there are concealed weapons, ever heard of them? Who is to say any object pointed towards you is not a concealed weapon?
    Should cops wait till one or two of them are shot before taking the criminal down? No I don't think so.. If you are dumb enough to do something that stupid, you deserve your one way ticket to heaven (or hell).
     
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  14. ApocalypseXL

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    #34
    Bingo and BTW the guy had a gun . You can see his index finger on the trigger as he enters the video frame .
     
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    #35
    It seem you have a difficult of understanding things - The guy never had a gun, he was holding a cell phone at all times. Anyways, that gave the cops every reason to murder him by shooting him in the backs multiple times.
     
    wwws, Jun 23, 2011 IP