I think America missed big time by killing Osama bin Laden to show the world that Ame

I think America (meaning the Washington administration) missed big time by killing Osama bin Laden to show the world that America is against killings. They should not have killed him IMO. They had all the means to capture him alive.

Now, what they showed is the law "eye for an eye". Osama's followers got the excuse for more terrorism. And the cycle of violence probably will continue.

One of the ten commandments is "Do not kill." How are we going to get the blessings of God of the Administration supports killings?

To love God means to obey His commandments.

(I know who Osama was, please don't tell again who he was)

The issue we in America and world are facing now is should we continue exectuing those poeple who we think are dangerous?
Or we should find another approach of capturing them alive and bringing them to justice.

Christianity teaches "Love your enemy." Does this law apply now or it will be valid after another 2,000 years?

 

No, it says "Do not murder"

[video=youtube;huMlf32LamQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huMlf32LamQ[/video]

Bin Laden, left alive and in prison, wold have become a rallying point for blackmail. "Release Bin Laden from prison within one week or we will destroy [fill in the blank]". The purpose of finding Bin Laden was because of 911 and to save more lives. Bin Laden in prison would get people killed. Bin Laden dead saves lives.

The attack on Bin Laden wasn't a police action, it was an act of war. Enemy combatants are deliberately killed in war.

 

"Do not murder" is the translator's choice of words.

The original Hebrew word ratsach is often translated as “murder” instead of “kill.”

How about the commandment "Love your enemies." How is that possible to love your enemies put together with allowing their "killing". Explain the logic please.

Logically the Sixth Commandment is: "Thou Shalt Not Kill."
It is possible he could have become a rallying point for blackmail, but also Bin Laden alive could have been talked into stopping of terrorism as well.

You don't see the details in the picture. Now every terrorist has even bigger desire to kill than before. Not only that, the world sees US as a country that uses killings of its enemies rather than bringing them to court.
I don't think you want to understand that.

 

I think you are a very gullible person and should seek help.

Forgot, the justice system
[video=youtube;n7At5RyV_yo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7At5RyV_yo&feature=related[/video]

 

And your point of posting this video?

BTW, you forgot to post this video very conveniently. It is the same video from a different angle.


[video=youtube;lPEiRQoALcs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPEiRQoALcs[/video]


Forget Justice? Yeah right.

 

If that guy was killed too bad for those who did it.

 

It's called instant justice. Did the video serve as a point?

 

Yupp it did, in that scenario..

 

This is not a US law, thank goodness. Anyway, there is no "Christian" Law per se in the US - we believe in the separation of church and state.

 

[video=youtube;EdxoHYC1eck]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdxoHYC1eck&feature=related[/video]

 

....capturing them alive and bringing them to justice.


Well, US law includes Capital Punishment so they are likely to be killed either way.....Saddam Hussein is by Justice (Iraqi) lynched.

Why invoke Christian Theology when history is replete with its failings. The flaws in Christianity are as responsible for the killings as the policies of the Gov't.

 

As Rebecca pointed out, the US is not a Christian nation, it is a secular one. Framing up this conflict as Christians vs. Muslims does a disservice to both. Osama was a far cry from a Muslim, and I highly doubt anyone who helped put a bullet between his eyes felt they were doing "God's work".


In other news, it turns out we made the right call by not informing Pakistan about the raid on Osama's safe house. Since killing Osama, Pakistan has decided to round up and arrest everyone involved in providing the US the information that lead to his capture, rather than arresting those who facilitated his comfortable life near a military academy. We also extended an olive branch by sharing intelligence about two bomb making facilities. Result: Both facilities were vacated within the 23 hours it took to put together a raid.

I read these stories and I have to wonder why we are sending USD$2 billion to these people on an annual basis. Cutting them off financially would have them looking like their neighbors in Afghanistan in no time. It seems the only reason we still work with them is out of fear India will catch a nuke when they collapse. Not our problem.

At some level, isn't pumping billions of dollars into Pakistan on the promise of stability a bit like pumping billions of dollars into the real estate market to keep it from deflating? At some point, it is going to seek the low it desires and only then can reconstruction start.

 

No it's not. The correct in-context translation is "murder".

First of all, "Love your enemies" is not a commandment. It's Mat 5:44. This is a complex topic, In that passage, "Love" (agapaō) means accepting someone for who they are "in a social or moral sense" (Strong's Greek dictionary, G25). It means not hating them. In this usage, you can love your enemy and still disapprove of, and prevent, their evil behavior.

Is my logic and reference sufficient?

 

I saw a guy resisting arrest. ... and then while walking away shot in the back a few times.

I don't see no honor in shooting unarmed man in the back. A few cups cannot subdue probably a drugged or drunk man.

For me this is nothing, but murder. How can one call this "instant justice".
The guy was no danger to the cups at all.....

(Show me please that the guy tried to kill the cups? Just don't bring somethng like: "The cups feared who could run away steal a gun and shoot everybody. He could hardly walk with his dropped down pants let alone run.)

 

"BLESSED are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled. Matthew 5:6"

Who authorized the execution of the walking away man in the video above?

 

Okay, here's the other side of the angle.
[video=youtube;lPEiRQoALcs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPEiRQoALcs&feature=player_embedded&oref=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.digitalpoint.com%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D2203458&has_verified=1[/video]

On a different angle, he fired one shot at the cups (cops) as he was walking away, there he got instant justice.

 

Stop acting like human right nut jobs.. The guys wasn't unarmed, he had a weapon on him, see the second video. Its simple, you point a gun on me, you are a dead meat!! Me being the cop, you being the criminal.

No wait.. On the second thought, forget it.. Dont bother watching the second video, because you've already made your mind up. It doesn't matter to you if 100 cops or military personals die in hands of criminals and terrorists. You feel safe in your home, with your ass parked safely on couch, running your mouth (fingers, actually) on internet, being the morale police and preaching peace!!
But I know people like you, When it comes to you, when your own ass is in danger, you will cry and scream and want the same cops to save your ass.. Then it wont matter to you who dies or lives, as long as its not you.

 

Wow what a freaking surprise if you shoot a weapon towards a cop he'll shoot to kill . INCREDIBLE !!! It's not like this has been the norm ever since cops appeared . FFS this is ridiculous . What did you expect that they would pet the guy ?

 

You know the resolution is so low that it is hard for me to see he fired at the cop. It is hard to even see that he was holding a gun.
Now anyone firing at cops (my hand keeps pushing the misspell key "u", thanks about the correction) should know that cops can and will fire back if they are being shot at. Shooting at cops is a really serious crime.

People should love one another, but when the "wolf" attacks the sheep the shepherd rightfully will defend them.

Anyway to go back to the topic. IMO Osama bin Laden alive would have been much better choice to America and the world. All spiritual masters say "violence breads more violence".

 

Did he really had a weapon? do you consider a cell phone a weapon? Pointing anything at cops can kill you and that's the truth and instant justice will be served.

[video=youtube;ruQmcQgolM0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruQmcQgolM0[/video]

Now watch the same video with narration and it will tell you that the object was not a weapon, rather a cell phone he pointed several times, how the cops never knowing what the objects was in the first place is not relevant, the point is the man acted as if he pose a threat to them, this might had been for Osama or not and we will never know.

American justice system is complicated and at times it's very simple, it varies who is serving that said justice, one could be served with it's justice system with little or no cause, you would think one can surrender and be in the hands of the court system and let them determine their faith, but sometimes the justice is carried right there on the spot, think of it like the movie Judge Dread or the Old West system were one is judge on the spot and hanged.

Another example is where a man walks across a street with a knife and only seconds later 5 shots is fired into him killing him near instant and the cop is always never persecuted even though it most likely to be a murder of an innocent or not justifiable enough to be killed, truth is that is the way the justice system here works.

[video=youtube;vcxqyp2wOzE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcxqyp2wOzE[/video]

Seattle August 2010, man is served instant justice
Man is seen walking the street carving wood (Native Indian artifacts for selling). The victim was John T Williams shot by officer Ian Birk, the crime? Walking while a Native with a wood carving knife (Legal). Officer Birk was never charge for the crime. While John T Williams was lying on a pool of blood, the on coming cops watch and mocks the dying man and never called for an ambulance or helped resuscitate the man.

To think that a wanted man like Osama is going to an American court where it could cost them maybe a billion dollars of tax payers money to depend, never going to happen. He got the instant justice instead on the spot and that is how it works sometimes, to think, that a justice system is always in place is quite ignorant to the American history. Read the American history and see how it's justice system really works, much of it is just gimmicks to make itself more civil to the world.