Oh cut with the crap already. You're twisting the facts. Are you saying that the Jews just invaded and killed everyone while taking the land? Let me stick to your version: Steve is a land owner. He owns several neighborhoods. He has several houses. Jo has been cast away from his neighborhood and had his friends killed. (The holocaust, or what happened in countries like Iran where they followed the ideology of the Nazi's). Joe moves to Steve's neighborhood where Steve owns a lot of houses. Joe gets his friends to help him and buys land from Steve (Those organizations which helped establish Israel by buying lands and giving them to settlers to develop the land). Joe and Steve live happily for some time. Joe brings his friends to the neighborhood and they also buy lands that are owned by Steve. Steve is happy. Joe and his friends develop the land and start making it a lot more profitable. Steve gets pissed and kills several friends of Joe . Joe gets his friends to organize weapons in case Steve becomes a maniac again. Steve becomes a maniac again and this time the fight was equal where several of Steve's friends also got killed. Steve and Joe are now pissed on each other. The country that supervises on the neighborhood decides to split it to around 40% - 60%, giving Joe more land so they'll finally properly own it without someone supervising on them at all. Steve refuses and starts a war. Joe wins and gets 70% of the land, giving 30% to Steve. Steve then waits a couple of years, gets more of his friends who live nearby and starts a war again. Joe wins, and now he has a lot more land. It continues with many wars like this, where Joe gets more land, sometimes returns it back to friends of Steve (like Egypt - where he made peace with them and gave them land back), until Joe is left with 5% land with Joe's friends living there too. Steve develops rockets and shoots it to Joe's house. The years is 2000. Now the year is 2005, and Joe decides to pull back out of some of the land to make Steve less pissed. Before it happened, Steve said it'll create a new reality and make the rockets stop. Afterwards, he just kept shooting rockets from the new houses he got. Joe has an army and jet planes, and in 2009 attacks Steve's house, which he called Gaza, because of the rockets. Who's fault is this really?
Please read the the first post carefully before posting your crap here. Concentrate on the part towards the bottom of the first post. That's what you seem to be good at
You sit there near your computer and open up a thread about Israel portraying them as bad people while making up bullshit facts to make everyone think Israel is Satan, and then also say that you want no responses from people that don't agree with you. There's no way in hell I'm going to sit tight and listen to your made up history while you try and make people believe bullshit. These threads should be published in a "Fantasy and made up stories" forum, not where people's opinions regarding real situations and real countries might be influenced.
I'd like to add some important facts to this fiction story. When I served in the IDF, I evacuated Israeli legit citizens who were farmers, in settlements nearby Gaza. This property was given to the Palestinians. During this evacuation I had to be spit on, cursed, called a Nazi (by a fellow Jew). This action was done solely for the sake of future peace. This isn't a war about property. The Israeli army has withdrawn from the Gaza strip during the Oslo agreements in 1994. This isn't an occupied territory, majority of Israeli population would not like to hold this property which has a population of 100% Palestinians. Just to get fact right. Happy discussion ya'll.
How about you tell us the number of Palestinians expelled from their property and homes? And also tell us about how many of them live now in Gaza as refugees. I would really like to get that facts from you. Thanks.
I think this would not be the appropriate thread to discuss history facts. Thinking back in these situations will never get us any closer to peace.
That's what you have been doing. You have posted more threads against Palestine then any other threads you have posted. All your threads should be posted in Fantasy and made up stories forum. You seem to bhe trying to prove things but it's not working. All a load of crap and propaganda is what your threads are. Your just spreading crap around and trying to prove points by referring to bullshit you tube clips. Go post your you tube clips else where.
..and there you have the problem. The "Why do I have to be the bigger man? " syndrome. An that is why this will never end. You're are very misguided. Your family continues to suffer because you chose to keep fighting a war over something as stupid as land. Land that you can't grow anything on, because it is desert. Land that no one will trade with you on, because you keep fighting. Land that no one else in the world will come visit, because you keep fighting. Land that will never be considered valuable, because you keep fighting. Your kids can't be kids, and play in the park like normal kids. Your wife can't hang out with her friends and go shopping in peace. And it's all because you keep fighting over a house that you can build anywhere in the world, yet, you are set on living in the desert. Home is where you family is, and where you have love and support. If your family hates the place and it is a constant reminder of strife, war, famine, and death...that is not home...it's hell. If I want land...I'll buy it.
I wouldn't come and fight for land. Land does not have any real value to me. If I am faced with living without a specific piece of land or fighting and possibly dying and still not having a specific piece of land... I would go and get some new land... and no, I am not rich by any means, I simply know how to survive. if that means living off the land; any land, than so be it. Jo is an absolute idiot... but I would not waste any brain cells sitting around thinking about how Jo ruined my life. I would instead focus on how Jo gave me an opprotunity to experience a whole new home. I would likely send him a tahnk you card... if I was even able to remember him.
You're claiming that whatever I'm claiming is crap - How about you back those statements with some evidence instead of posting Steve and Joe stories? I'd love to see the proof that whatever I'm saying is crap ( And I mean all of it, not just something that might have some controversial talk about it ). Lets start with this video. How is it crap? P.S, non related but I just found this funny: "But only the Zionist kind!"
gkd_uk does it mean anything to you that you started what you thought was a thread that would lead any possible non follower to adopt your opinion and fight Jo to the death... but isntead 99% of the responses have offered and support alternative non war like solutions to the problem?
Good reading, but the same can be said for just about every country in the world. How Constantinople became Turkey. How America became the United States. How England was settled. How Japan was created. The Greeks, The Romans..it goes and on. every country was taken and created by the more powerful invading force. would you rather Israel just end it the way every other conquering invader did, by annihilating the inhabitants?
Here we go. Another crappy you tube clip to show evidence. I can post lots of you tube clips but are they the truth?
It shows that some would run away and some would fight. The ones who run away, their kids return to take revenge and are then called terrorists. Some protect their family by moving them away but then return alone to claim back their land. Some give up like cowards and never come back. It shows that the one whose land is taken is called a terrorist and the one who takes the land gets away with it.
So Jo wins and no one can harm him. People like this should be punished. You decide to move with no guarantee that you will find another place to live. Jo attacks you again no matter where you go and destroys your family. Now what? You are on your own. Are you going to run to another country on your own?
Well, a little debt gets us all thinking and stressed and you're saying that someone taking your land would not get you thinking. You seem to be a nice person and the ideal person to take land from What part of the world do you come from? Are all people in your country like that, and don't care if their home is taken away from them. You seem to be a thiefs ideal dream. Come on, get real.