I sell VCCs and Verified Paypal Accounts <--- Questions of legality

Discussion in 'Legal Issues' started by Angelfun, Feb 13, 2009.

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    Ok, so Ive been selling Vccs and Paypal Accounts for a good while, and I have a question. Can I get arrested, because, technically they are still real accounts with real information, just that i sell them.
     
    Angelfun, Feb 13, 2009 IP
  2. G Ramjit

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    I don't think so.. but it's not legal
     
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  3. Angelfun

    Angelfun Banned

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    I mean i sell legit accounts, with legit information, and they work perfectly fine.
     
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    I think Paypal would Freaze any Accounts they find like this as there TOS say's they can Lock Acounts for 180Days for this kind of stuff that means any money in the said account would be locked and you'd have to get it affter 180days.
     
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    Using VCC's aren't illegal. They are just pre-charged credit cards.
     
    TheVccMatey, Feb 14, 2009 IP
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    If Paypal catches you "transfering" accounts in bulk, you better believe they'll find a way to shut you down, even it it's dragging you through the courts until you're broke.

    As for the VCC, it probably depends on the VCC company and the lengths their willing to go to stop you. They probably love getting the chance to freeze an account that's been transfered against TOS and keep activation fees.
     
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    with paypal,If they are verified that means they were confirmed with a credit card, and I think selling credit card info is a no no, unless its your own, then its just stupid...
     
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    jhn2001 Well-Known Member

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    Even i do the same .I Hear many people saying that it is illegal .Let me tell you all its perfectly Legal you can even contact Paypal .They just say that they do not recommend Using Vcc's for verification Purpose they never say that it is illegal.
     
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  9. Angelfun

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    Ok, thats what I believed.
     
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    http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=xpt/UserAgreement/ua/USUA-outside#dispute-policy

    Here's the important part of the question.
    Selling a Paypal account is going to be classified as "transfering your rights in the software to a third party" by Paypals legal team.

    Allowing accounts to be transfered between verified and unverified individuals completely undermines Paypals integrity and will lower the confidence people have in their service.

    There's a difference between you not being worth going after legally at the moment, and it being legal.
    If consumer confidence begins to drop due to fears of accounts being transfered, even the "little fish" will become viable legal targets for protecting Paypals integrity.

    Financial accounts are almost never transferable. That's just how finance works, it needs to hold people accountable. :)
     
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  11. Angelfun

    Angelfun Banned

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    Ok, thank you, so in most cases they will send you a CAD letter for doing anything negative correct?
     
    Angelfun, Feb 16, 2009 IP
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    VCCS are completly legal. You can use on Paypal just one time.
     
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    In most cases they're just going to freeze the accounts involved because as far as they know there's no link between all of the involved accounts.
    If Paypal discovers you running a "business" that allows people to obtain "verified" Paypal accounts it depends entirely on what mood the legal team is in when they get the paperwork.

    If you're lucky they might just send a threatening letter to scare you straight.

    I don't know exactly how you're activating these Paypal accounts, but if you're using other peoples names or fake information you could be open to criminal wire fraud charges depending on where you live if Paypal turns you in.

    On the bright side the worst case scenario is fines that would keep you broke for the rest of your life and Federal prison where they keep people like Martha Stuart, rather than bottom of the barrel don't drop the soap prison.
     
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    Dont drop the soap prison would be very negative...i prefer not to have a credit card jammed in my slot...i would rather be paid by paypal...

    A friend of mine got a CAD letter, after that they never bothered him agian.
     
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    Real accounts with real information that belong to real people who have or have not given you permission to use their info to make paypal accounts? :eek:
     
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    If you use somebody else information I think its unethical. However VCC is not illegal. I saw Paypal offers a plugin to create a VCC using a USA paypal account.
     
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  17. Angelfun

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    Have.

    And it isnt unethical whatsoever.

    It is a very simple and great service. I dont think they are exactly going to give me the death penalty here for this. Though I do get many orders everytday. Im nothing compared to other sellers who sell thousands a day.
     
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    Well Creating a paypal account and selling it is unethical to me but selling a vcc is not unethical/illegal .
     
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    Whats the difference? I think its helping someone for instance who cannot get one because of their country, Its not like i absuse this power. I only charge $30 for an paypal account. Its not like i charge $$$$ of dollars for one account. That is unethical. If it isnt unbelieveable it should be ok.
     
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    Really ? Pay Pal said that opening accounts and selling them to people who would have normally not been able to get them, or would have been denied is not illegal, because every other bank and wire transfer service would consider that fraud...maybe even interstate wire fraud if you are in the U.S.

    One has to wonder that if you create and sell an account to someone and they in turn use it to facilitate a criminal activity like financing a smuggling, human trafficking, or terrorist action...even if it's only $20, how lenient the law would be then?

    I am curious, (since you posted it up) how are these "real" accounts with "real" information ? Who's information is it that you are able to use to create fake accounts?

    PLEASE, point out, or show a link that say's, from Pay Pal, that is is "A-O.K." to create accounts and sell them to others.
     
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