I need a dmoz editor's help, please

Discussion in 'ODP / DMOZ' started by martasban, Sep 19, 2006.

  1. #1
    Hi there, my name is Edwin. I was browsing some of the posts and came across a few inre becoming a dmoz editor.

    I have 3 sites, retail sites, that have been in business since 2002. I've seen my competitors get on dmoz successful and although I haven't aggressively perused it, I have submitted by sites with no luck.

    I'm currently looking to pay an editor to do this for me. It seems like the only option is to become an editor myself just to approve my own sites, which in my opinion is as morally correct as paying someone to do it! I'm a business man, I can't wait around. I have to get in.

    If you are interested, or have a friend that is interested, I'd love to work with you. You can contact me anonymously and in confidence at martasban@yahoo.com. The category:

    Business: Telecommunications: Services:

    I have 3 sites, will pay $500 per site inclusion.

    Thank you,
    Edwin.
     
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  2. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    Why do you think you "have to get in"? What do you expect to happen if you do?
     
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    brizzie Peon

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    There are a lot of very silly people coming to this forum of late with more money than sense.

    The actual commercial value of an inclusion is zero, nothing, zilch. It is just one more backlink. Just one more backlink. Just one more backlink. Three sites, three times just one more backlink.

    If you ask for an editor to contact you to undertake a transaction then chances are you will get either an honest editor who will let you keep your money and ban your sites, or a scam artist who will take your money and not list your sites. Even if you did succeed in getting the sites listed then it won't do your marketing any good whatsoever, certainly not $1500 worth of good. You'd be lucky to get a return on $10 for the lot.

    Spend your money on more productive marketing, give it to charity (the one in my signature could make far better use of it), do not give it to an editor for a useless listing. Look around DP, there is plenty of marketing advice around for free - lots of free directories with good PR to pass on. Did I mention that DMOZ is just another backlink. Whatever anyone tells you remember that DMOZ is not, repeat not, a means to turn a poorly performing website into a cash generator - look through this DMOZ part of the forum and you can read somewhere exactly how many hits listed sites have actually received.
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    Brizzie is right, it is just another back link and you make the editors too greedy by posting like this. In comparison with other directories out there (Yahoo price is just ridiculous), I think if you can list your 3 site for $30-$90 in total then it is worth it, don't offer more. ;)
     
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    popotalk Notable Member

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    There are lots of directories that you can submit for a fee. Like the 3rd in my signature. Good Luck.:)
     
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  6. martasban

    martasban Peon

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    Although I appreciate your comments, you should refrain form calling people names. You do not know me, nor do you understand my situation. You can not assume that everyone has your level of knowledge when it comes to directories. We are learning here.

    One back link from dmoz, how about other sites that use dmoz like google.com and nationaldirectory.com? Do they count as additional links?

    Is there a list of these directories? Are you work for hire and could you help us get listed in various directories?
     
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  7. martasban

    martasban Peon

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    Your site states this:

    A one time fee of $79.95 applies to all submissions. All major credits cards accepted via PayPal.

    Does it cost that much to list on your thrid link?
     
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    popotalk Notable Member

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    Actually its not mine. Its a friends directory.;)
    Value which gives twice as much as other directories charging that much.:)
     
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    Actually search engines like Google no longer give any weight to other directories that use dmoz data. So the answer is basically no.
     
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    CReed Prominent Member

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    DP is a good place to find resources for promoting your sites.

    One directory discussion in particular you might find of interest is the one about strongest directories. There's also a link to the blog post which includes even more directories ranked by PageStrength. Should be a number of good directories you can submit your sites to and better utilize the funds you had set aside for a dmoz listing. ;)

    I'd advise against paying for a dmoz listing - submit your site and move on to other promotional opportunities. Before I spent $500 on dmoz, I'd submit to Yahoo! if you haven't already.

    Question for you - how will you determine the editors intent when they contact you? Are they looking to list your sites and accept a payment, or are they trying to find out which sites you're associated with to blacklist them? Is it worth the chance?

    Best of luck with promoting your sites. I'm sure you'll find quite a bit of useful info here at DP.
     
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  11. martasban

    martasban Peon

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    That's a good question, I'm a newbie, not too technical, just a frustrated entrepreneur! I need someone so do this for me properly, not just dmoz, but SEO work in general. The two individuals I've hired with in the past (one from India, the other domestic) have not been so skilled. So I decided to try it on my own.
     
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    You offered $1500 for something worth tops $10 as you hadn't done your homework properly. That is silly, especially for a business man, whatever way you look at it. ;) What if no-one said anything and let you waste your money? There are probably a few scam-artists lurking who would just love to rob you and you're waving a wad of cash in the air inviting it. Fact is this same thing has been said over and over just in the last few weeks in this DMOZ sub-forum. If you are that easily parted from $1500 then as I said, send it somewhere it will do some real good.

    Yep, he got himself banned yesterday and has probably copied the list from somewhere (so don't employ him please) but check this out: http://www.vistadivine.com/seo-tips/free-directory-submission-services.html

    http://directory.v7n.com/ seems to have very few actual links so not many seem to agree that the price is good value.

    Check threads here in the main Directories section for members offering free links to new directories.

    No, but there are people here who can do professional SEO for you. Try http://forums.digitalpoint.com/forumdisplay.php?f=24 but do please make sure you check people out and make sure they come recommended.
     
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    CReed Prominent Member

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    At least one of the sites you're associated with that I'm aware of will likely never be listed in dmoz. You can check their guidelines regarding sites generally not included for reasons why. You're wasting your money if you pay an editor that says they can list it. It would get removed and noted if it isn't already as a result of the submission.

    Quite a number of other directories will likely not include this site if submitted. I'd be wary of false promises based on the market you're looking to excel in. ;)
     
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    brizzie is an SEO specialist so he knows what is good value and not. He is much better than the V7N directory owner. It just only shows how good he is with bafflegab, smokescreen and lying. :rolleyes:
     
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    I don't need to be an SEO specialist or lie popotalk, you only have to look at the directory concerned.

    http://directory.v7n.com/Top/Shopping/ - 68 listings
    http://directory.v7n.com/Top/Computers/ - 29 listings
    http://directory.v7n.com/Top/Arts/ - 23 listings
    http://directory.v7n.com/Top/Sports/ - 35 listings

    And so on... when it comes to pay directories, it is clearly "the" "in" site to be listed in. :rolleyes:
     
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    i think you've just gone bonkers... a listing in dmoz is only worth $10? :rolleyes:
     
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    Let's see, it is just one backlink (the clones are discounted). How many other places can you get a backlink for free? Hundreds? If you do a Google search does the appropriate DMOZ category appear? No. Where is the Google clone on its website? Hidden down the list under More... How many direct hits do people report getting from DMOZ? None to a couple. Is there any evidence that when you do a Google search a listed site will appear higher in the results? No. $10 is about the value of someone's time, if they got paid, that it would take to do 3 listings. And that is a generous hourly rate. What makes you think it is worth more than that?

    Here is the proof that DMOZ has minimal if any effect on page rank:

    http://www.google.com/Top/Computers...Promotion/Search_Engine_Optimization_Firms/R/

    Nine sites at the bottom with PR0. BTW I wouldn't recommend using any of those SEO firms if that is the best they can do.
     
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    Blogmaster Blood Type Dating Affiliate Manager

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    "A" listing is a very lose term though. Depends on the listing :)
     
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    what type of link can you buy in the marketplace section of dp for $10? :) probably a footer link of an average site for a month. if you want a permanent link, it's probably going to be a directory... and any of the better ones out there will charge much more than $10.

    a link is worth what people are willing to pay for it... i'm 100% sure that if you can get sites listed in dmoz for $10 (heck let's increase that to $100), you'll be swamped with orders... ;)
     
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    What is the point of paying $1 for something that has no effect on your marketing effort and whose data is unlikely to be seen by anyone. Unless DMOZ editors are your charity of the month... The time, effort, and money if spent would be put to far more productive use elsewhere in the Internet world of marketing.
     
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